June 20, 2012 - Whitecaps FC vs New York Red Bulls - MLS Round 15 (R)
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    Welcome Matt! (oops) A bit better than Commonwealth Stadium I think ;;)

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    toffeeman said: Welcome Matt! (oops) A bit better than Commonwealth Stadium I think ;;)

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  • LittleBirdLittleBird
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    Did not watch the whole game. Disappointing draw with a team that offered little threat going forward. Rennie has to stop riding Le Toux. He's not particularly in form and he's played too many minutes already. Nanchoff and Hassli should have both come in at 65'. No need to blow this draw out of proportion but it's up to Rennie to make sure heads are up for this tough road trip. He's also got to start subbing a bit else we are going to see some breakdowns soon. The commentators cursed Thorrigton by mentioning his relatively long injury-free run tonight.

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    So is Long Tan out of the dog house yet?

  • ChrisChris
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    I really didn't like the Harvey for Chiumiento sub. Replacing a good possession player with... well, with Jordan Harvey when you're trying to defend a lead, is not a solid plan to me.

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  • barca99barca99
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    Chris said: I really didn't like the Harvey for Chiumiento sub. Replacing a good possession player with... well, with Jordan Harvey when you're trying to defend a lead, is not a solid plan to me.

    Especially with LeToux really needing a break. Thought it should have been for him.

    C'est la vie. Still in 3rd in the West. Massive road trip. This could be the season in the next five games!

  • VanCityVillaVanCityVilla
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    MATCH HIGHLIGHTS: VAN vs NY

    GOAL: Bonjour smashes VAN into the lead

    Post edited by VanCityVilla at 2012-06-21 00:01:06
  • puckpuck
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    The match stats show that we took 10 shots tonight and only one found the target.

    The Koffie miss and multiple Camilo misses were frustrating.

    It also felt like there were a tonne of offsides tonight.

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  • barca99barca99
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    Many of the offsides were really bad calls on the replay.

  • puckpuck
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    Was at the match...and in the south stands...but...didn't pay too close attention to the off and on stadium replay. A couple that I did see looked iffy though....

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  • SAFC_YankSAFC_Yank
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    Ahhh, not the best of efforts. Camilo really struggled, we joked a couple times he was making us long for Jarju. And it wasn't just the finishing, his touch and his passing weren't great, either. I actually felt bad for him, you know he can do it, and he seemed a bit overwhelmed by the pressure to perform.

    But I didn't think anybody in the front six really stood out, although Davide had good moments. DeMerit struggled, too, not so much defensively, but his possession tonight was just horrid. Not two minutes before Bonjour scored we were talking about how he'd been our best player on the night, then he capped it off, although somebody got over him for the equalizer (I think he might have been held down). Thought Rochat was next best.

    A couple of the offside calls did seem dodgy, the East side AR was calling it absurdly tight, New York had one early in the second half he called back that looked good, too.

    Was puzzled by comments from Tyler Green in the post-match that Hassli wasn't hustling to pressure the backs. I thought he was pretty good from that standpoint - its how he picked up the yellow, which understandably left him a bit tentative. He did jog around a couple times, but you can't just run around like a headless chicken up there, I thought he was usually in the right spot. And his touch was okay, not spectacular, but okay.

    On the whole of it, a draw was a reasonably fair result, we may have edged the play a bit, but I didn't feel like we dominated at all.

  • MattBinYYCMattBinYYC
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    I want to thank the Vancouver Whitecaps and the Southsiders. Tonight was amazing and l will never ever forget it! My dream of being MotM presenter came true!

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  • Kaiser_FranzKaiser_Franz
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    With Henry out of the line-up, you knew that they would be looking for Cooper. Demerit and Bonjour kept him quiet as he only seemed to have 2 shots (both wide) and they were off of free kicks. Another solid performance in the middle, with a Bonjour goal to top it off.

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  • tim13tim13
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    barca99 said: Many of the offsides were really bad calls on the replay.

    Yea last week we got the bad ref and this week the bad linesmen. The offside calls were bad both ways. I mean Richards was on side by a full YARD. Not even close. 2 of Camillo's were offside but two were definitely not.

    As to the game. The DeadBulls really did the bunker and counter routine. They retreated to their half immediately when we got possession most of the game. Camillo was a bit snake bitten. Maybe it was the long time between starts but he normally buries at least one of those chances.

    To be honest I like LeToux better on the wing. I think he really is better at wing than forward. I know he won't score as much from there but he brings an obscene work rate that more than compensates for that.

  • Hate to say it but their #19 beat Rochat on speed at least a couple of times. First time I can remember seeing that all season.

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  • Number4Number4
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    Chris said: I really didn't like the Harvey for Chiumiento sub. Replacing a good possession player with... well, with Jordan Harvey when you're trying to defend a lead, is not a solid plan to me.

    Tyler Green tweeted these last night:

    1/3 Tweeted earlier about #whitecapsFC defender Jordan Harvey... @IrfaanGaffar talking about his defensive specialist.

    2/3 In two of his last 3 games, Harvey has come on and the opposition has scored

    3/3 - v Houston, #WhitecapsFC Jordan Harvey comes on 78th – Houston score in 83rd. v NY, Harvey comes on in 80th - #NYRB’s score 86th.

    It's a disconcerting trend that Harvey has going. Chiumiento definitely shouldn't have come off for Harvey.

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  • Bad_GonesBad_Gones
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    Go back and look at both the goals that came after Harvey coming on. If you can pick out why he was responsible for either of them you're seeing something I'm not. (Not saying you won't, just that I can't pick anything out to pin on Jordan.)

    Dede had run a tonne and we're playing again Saturday. I thought it was an unexpected sub, but not one that I would say cost us two points. In fact, I thought Rennie handled the subs pretty well (you gotta give Tan some time, right?). I expected Hassli to come on around the 75' mark, so 64' is pretty agressive for us.

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  • SAFC_YankSAFC_Yank
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    Boxing_Day_Massacre said: Hate to say it but their #19 beat Rochat on speed at least a couple of times. First time I can remember seeing that all season.

    Dane Richards is one of the fastest guys in MLS. No disgrace in getting beat for pace by him occasionally, and Rochat seemed to adjust as the night went on.

  • Lord_BobLord_Bob
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    I think Rennie botched badly by not bringing Le Toux off; he was uncharacteristically exhausted and more-or-less out of the game by the 70 minute mark. It's like Martin couldn't believe that the athletic superfreak was just bagged. Also, Rochat was struggling so badly late that I might honestly have moved Harvey to LB just to throw a different look at the Red Bulls.

    So the one thing I'd have done differently is Franks-on-for-Le Toux instead of Tan-on-for-Koffie, which just didn't make sense to me. Other than that, not a horror show. Bringing Harvey in was the right move and he did well.

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  • JP82JP82
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    Ya I agree but Rennie is completely over the moon with Le Toux n Davidson unless they both were dying I can't see Rennie taking them off in a game...u gotta wonder when will or if Camilo turns things around he had two solid chances

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  • brrrrrradleybrrrrrradley
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    You have gotta give Camilo a one off here. The effort was there and I think I saw him pass in the box rather than try to dribble through the whole defense for for the first time in recent memory.

    And I certainly do not ever remember him missing so many chances in a game. It's easy to forget how many chances Mattocks missed against Seattle when he scores in the next couple of games.

    I was actually surprised at how good the energy drinks midfield was and to me it felt like NY was going to get one goal on the night. If the Caps could have finished just one more of their good chances (I put that number around five) they would have won it. I was Disappointed with the draw but that probably is based on the order of the goals more than anything.

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  • Number4Number4
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    Bad_Gones said: Go back and look at both the goals that came after Harvey coming on. If you can pick out why he was responsible for either of them you're seeing something I'm not. (Not saying you won't, just that I can't pick anything out to pin on Jordan.)

    Dede had run a tonne and we're playing again Saturday. I thought it was an unexpected sub, but not one that I would say cost us two points. In fact, I thought Rennie handled the subs pretty well (you gotta give Tan some time, right?). I expected Hassli to come on around the 75' mark, so 64' is pretty agressive for us.

    Looking back at the Houston goal Harvey could have checked Moffat better to prevent the bounce off of Demerit, and last night he could possibly have stayed by the post longer but that one is being nitpicky.

    I'm not saying Harvey is directly responsible for both goals, it just seems like we're a much weaker team with him on the left flank. Chiumiento has been playing spectacularly the past few games and to have him taken off for Harvey is a huge loss. Granted, I don't quite know who else we could use to replace Chiumiento. Maybe it's Tiebert time?

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  • spinrackspinrack
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    I believe that Le Toux is the only forward (possibly the only player, period) who has started every single game this season. At this point, I wonder if he might be a little tired and maybe should be left on the bench, or at most used as a substitute for a week or so. Having Robson come into the lineup in a month or so should aid Le Toux greatly.

  • SeathanaichSeathanaich
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    Le Toux knows he will start every game, regardless of whether he's scoring or not. Camilo and Hassli know that they are unlikely to start, and if they do they have to score and play mistake-free in order to get a start next game. Am I wrong in thinking this?

    Would Camilo have been more relaxed, and therefore more likely to score, if he didn't feel the pressure to score at least one goal in this game? Or is his style the same, whether he's playing regularly or not?

    Would Hassli be more confident and more effective if he knew he was starting every other game?

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  • SAFC_YankSAFC_Yank
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    The OPTA chalkboard paints a really bad picture of Camilo. A total of 26 possessions, which is probably a bit low for 65 minutes in his spot, but not disastrously so. But he gave the ball away on 10 of them. Even there, you might make a case that's an acceptable number if he's taking risks. (Chiumiento's possession numbers last night are an example.) But of Camilo's 13 completed passes, 10 were backwards or VERY short (less than five yards). He did have one key pass to set up Chiumiento for a shot.
    OPTA also pins offside infractions on the passer, so those aren't noted. Numbers aren't perfect indicators, but those numbers are very poor.

  • chauchi09chauchi09
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    When was the last time Camillo had any meaningful minutes? I think there was just a bit of game rust there.

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  • SeathanaichSeathanaich
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    Exactly, and that's why too little squad rotation is a problem. One of the "problems" that comes with depth of quality is that you have to rotate it in order to make sure everyone stays sharp.

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  • ChrisChris
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    Game rust, yes, and the referee also allowed a good bit of physicality. I bet at least half of those 10 giveaways were the result of a NY player just bodying Camilo off the ball. I thought the ref was really quite good last night, but thought he did miss a couple of times where Camilo was fouled.

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  • JP82JP82
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    well if Camilo rusty...is it abit stretched to say maybe Camilo n Mattocks together on Saturday? I haven't seen them together yet and Le Toux needs a break..also what other squad rotation will we see?

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  • Was a bit disapointed how "Eric Hassli clap clap clap..." came several times immediately after a Camilo miss.
    How is the "Lifting every WhitecapsFC player if times get tough" ? (Tietur's "Supporters Pledge")
    Believe me, I'm no big fan of Camilo but you gotta do your best to support the guy if he's in the chosen 11.

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    ya I 100% agree with that didn't join in on the chant but cmon thats not fair to Camilo and its not like Hassli has been playing the role of superhero lately anyway...

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  • BrentonBrenton
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    Boxing_Day_Massacre said: Was a bit disapointed how "Eric Hassli clap clap clap..." came several times immediately after a Camilo miss.
    How is the "Lifting every WhitecapsFC player if times get tough" ? (Tietur's "Supporters Pledge")
    Believe me, I'm no big fan of Camilo but you gotta do your best to support the guy if he's in the chosen 11.

    Agreed, especially when it was first heard in the 50th minute. It's an easy chant, and casual fans know and love Hassli.

  • ChrisChris
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    I was in a blind rage at the twats who were chanting "Ba-rry Rob-son" while Koffie was down on the turf hurt. The Eric Hassli chant was damn irritating too. So were the casuals behind me who, when they bothered to join in chants at all, changed the lyrics to ridiculous nonsense and had a laugh about it. What I wouldn't give for a carded supporters only section like the Sons of Ben have. I need to move down.

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  • BrentonBrenton
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    Camilo needed to come off, and putting Le Toux on the right side was a smart move, I thought, as Camilo was so poor defending in front of Lee. His defensive efforts extended to jogging back to remain near his mark and glancing occasionally at him so he could remain near him.

  • Neeskens1974Neeskens1974
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    Boxing_Day_Massacre said: Was a bit disapointed how "Eric Hassli clap clap clap..." came several times immediately after a Camilo miss.
    How is the "Lifting every WhitecapsFC player if times get tough" ? (Tietur's "Supporters Pledge")
    Believe me, I'm no big fan of Camilo but you gotta do your best to support the guy if he's in the chosen 11.

    Didn't like it either. Unfortunately we don't have a Camilo chant that can get the crowd supporting everyone...was frustrated but happy that Camilo was creating those chances.

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  • FynnskyFynnsky
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    I didn't hear the Barry Robson chant going, but did hear the Hassli chant, pretty down right rude to Camilo.

    One chant that was driving me nuts was the 4 drunk teenagers going "one more goal!" over and over and over and over.........

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  • SAFC_YankSAFC_Yank
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    I think you can only take the rust argument so far. I was willing to grant that for the first 10 or 15 minutes, to let him settle in after not seeing first-team action for a while. But it didn't get any better. The physicality part ... not sure. It might have been a part of it.

    I did think the Hassli chant was a bit harsh, although I think its rooted more in people wanting the big fella to play and taking any opportunity to say so.

    And credit to Rennie, he doesn't throw guys under the bus, it might make for bland post-match interviews, but he always finds something positive, and praised Camilo for his movement off the ball. He did make it pretty clear there was a missed assignment on the NY goal, but again, didn't single anyone out. It's good management, very impressed.

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    Sat in 239 last night, first time we weren't in the SS. I was amazed just how LOUD you guys were. It's hard to gauge that when you're in the midst of it game after game.

    We brought a couple first timers to both the Saturday game and again last night. All four of us agreed that while the view was great in 239 we had a much better time in 251 on Saturday and the SS is the place to be.

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  • Neeskens1974 said: Unfortunately we don't have a Camilo chant

    Basic / generic chant for getting behind the team (to tune of you're not singing any more etc):
    Sing your hearts out
    Sing your hearts out
    Sing your hearts out for the Caps
    Sing your hearts out for the Caps

    or my suggestion for something Camilo-specific: http://vancouversouthsiders.ca/forum/discussion/comment/81692#Comment_81692

    Sorry if I've unrailed this thread into the realm of the Official Chants thread.

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  • slamoslamo
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    Harvey gave the ball away on a counter 2 minutes before the goal right at the top of the NY 18 - Dede would've settled the play and killed time. That said, Dede looked absolutely spent chasing Richards down the wing just before he came on. In the future I imagine it will be Gersh, JMD or Thor coming on for Dede and holding that ball. We need that fresh possession MF to kill that time and apparently Rennie doesn't believe that to be Nano.

    ETA - how do you leave a man to get a short corner at that point of the match? Looked like Gersh missed that assignment and LeToux seemed to fall asleep for the one second it takes to allow a goal. I think the missed assignments were easy to spot and the players who made them work too hard to be singled out by the coach.

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    Right after the match Cannon was laying into JMD. I assume it had something to do with positioning on the NY goal.

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  • FynnskyFynnsky
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    Neeskens1974 said: ... Unfortunately we don't have a Camilo chant that can get the crowd supporting everyone...

    Camilo, was Sanvezzo
    Now it's Camilo, not Sanvezzo
    Call him Camilo.....
    Put it in the net

    Edit: Sorry, I guess this belongs in the official chants thread

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  • slamoslamo
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    ^I think he was an easy target because he was there and perhaps could've (should've) tracked the flight of the ball better from the cross. But it was LeToux who lost his mark JMD didn't adjust and allowed the free header. I gave him a bit of slack because he was where it looked like he should've been save the adjustment which should have been made. That said, once you have to start adjust on set pieces it becomes a bit of a crap shoot. Dasovic on the telecast suggested Bonjour should've taken a foul and hoped for the best - no call or missed PK. It's tough once things break down - but given away a free ball at the edge of the 18 like that on a set piece is requesting a goal against. - unless of course there was a preset play and JMD was supposed to mark the short kick and Gersh was only responding late because he saw JMD wasn't - but I don't think zonal marking was the plan - I think Gersh just lost sight for a minute when his man moved forward.

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    Southsiders photo-op w/ CanWNT

    The Canadian Women's National Team was outside the stadium before the game.

    Post edited by Brenton at 2012-06-22 17:34:42
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    Brenton said: Southsiders photo-op w/ CanWNT

    The Canadian Women's National Team was outside the stadium before the game.

    uhhh... wow.

  • tim13tim13
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    SAFC_Yank said:

    Boxing_Day_Massacre said: Hate to say it but their #19 beat Rochat on speed at least a couple of times. First time I can remember seeing that all season.

    Dane Richards is one of the fastest guys in MLS. No disgrace in getting beat for pace by him occasionally, and Rochat seemed to adjust as the night went on.

    Early in the game they had him wide on the wing. When they moved him to the middle I nearly needed a change of underwear. He was going past any defender we have in cruise control mode. He is a very quick player and hard to mark.

    PS. Lovely pics of the ladies. Damn they are hot!

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    On the march I was pretty sure I saw Sophie Schmidt walking across the street from us and looking at us like we were retards. I thought "probably isn't her". In hindsight, I should have tried to start "holy Schmidt!"

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