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Call it a tribute, call it a protest, or call it a show of defiance. We have plenty of Icelandic flags in stock, and we are damn well going to put them to good use!
Some of our members have suggested that Iceland is a lot like the Southsiders - we've been through a lot of turmoil and frustration in recent years, and we seem to have no shortage of obstacles thrown our way. As such, there have been calls to adopt the Icelandic flag our own special battle flag that we wave with pride to let the world know they'll never keep the Southsiders down.
It's also pretty cool that the flag is blue with red and white trim - just like the original Southsiders scarves of previous seasons. There's something wonderfully poetic about that!
The flags measure 3 feet tall by 5 feet wide, and each comes with a 5-foot pole. Both the flag and the pole have been pre-approved for use at Empire by the Whitecaps FO.
You can order the Icelandic flags online for $14.99 at:
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Go the the flag section of the store and choose Option E. You will also be able to purchase flags during our upcoming away game viewings at Doolin's.Post edited by JohnnieMonster at 2011-05-31 11:36:28 -
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And Lets continue to bring Teitur's poster to our games and march behnd it almost like a MARTER's poster that you see in places like Palastine and the middle east !!Let's come up with a new chant about Teitur being our MARTER !!!!
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I love Teitur, but I'm not a fan of going over the top to celebrate him going forward, simply out of respect for Tommy Soehn (who by all accounts, is a great guy himself.)
I'd love to find a way to properly honour Teitur, but also not diminish or ignore Soehn as our guy going forward......Tommy deserves our respect and support going forward. -
Yeah, we want to be careful not to reject Soehn even as we pay Thordarson a much-deserved tribute. I'm by no means sold on the guy, but I still cheer for the team he manages and I'm damned well going to give him a chance.Member no. 49 - Since 2009
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I wasn't sure where to post my comment but here it goes
As a season ticket holder in the southside but not a member I must say I'm disappointed in what I have seen from the main supporters club to date
The SS I felt were the weakest yet against the red bull
It was not loud and no where near where we could or should be
I do blame a lot of this on the front office for seating situation
It is a joke that there is not a designated supporters section which I believe should be general admissiOn to avoid having what I saw Saturday with a group of 10 year old girls right next to 217
The point of my post is that it seems like the SS or at least some seem to more interested on there own agenda. Protest Tt firing!! For example
The SS need to work with the ft -
To carry on with my post
The SS need to work with fo not against
If the SS want to remain a small fun group which it is carry on as is
You claim to have 650 members but Saturday seemed like you had 200 chanters in the section
Changes needed as I see it
Work with fo not against
Drop the profanity on chants
Stop the chants that are SS when you had 50 members. I heard about 10 renditions of a pedophile song on Saturday. Lots of fun but still don't know the words as only about 30 people knew them?
If you want to remain a small tight knit group no changes required
If we want to have anything close to what we see in Seattle or Portland I see changes needed
Again I saw a huge drop off this past weekend
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Lovethemcaps said:
To carry on with my post,
The SS need to work with fo not against.
If the SS want to remain a small fun group which it is carry on as is.
You claim to have 650 members but Saturday seemed like you had 200 chanters in the section.
Changes needed as I see it:
Work with fo not against
Drop the profanity on chants
Stop the chants that are SS when you had 50 members. I heard about 10 renditions of a pedophile song on Saturday. Lots of fun but still don't know the words as only about 30 people knew them?
If you want to remain a small tight knit group no changes required.
If we want to have anything close to what we see in Seattle or Portland I see changes needed.
Again I saw a huge drop off this past weekend.
I definitely agree with some of the points you have here, and even though this is the wrong thread to post it in, I would like to follow up on your comment.
First off, our group is spread throughout 3 sections. (that is roughly 2000-3000 people). To reiterate this, our 650 members are scattered throughout 2000-3000 seats!
Also, many Southsiders either cannot make every single game, or do not have season tickets, therefore we definitely do not ever have the full 650 at matches.
With this many people scattered throughout 3 or more whole sections, it is nearly impossible to hear each other from 215-217, and that is why you hear some people singing 1 song, while others are singing another. (this is where a designated Capo would be useful, but the FO has not made it possible for this to happen).
I am NOT saying that things cannot improve on our part, as there is always ways to make ourselves louder and for everywhere to stay more on the same page (literally, with the song sheets/flags) and this is why we try to call people down to 217 every game. THIS, however, is made more difficult by the non-Southsiders, who are situated in the middle of our core groups, who purchase single game seats there and are not expected by us to move; therefore breaking us up even more.
Things haven't fallen off IMO. Yes, adding new cheers to our list would be fantastic, and remember, you are always welcome to contribute ideas to our "Official Chant Thread", but until it is made possible by the FO (designating one section as General Admission for SOUTHSIDERS ONLY), we are going to have a tough time keeping the entire Southside synchronized and we can only do our best to keep thinking of new ideas instead of just criticizing.
In no way am I complaining about the FO, as they had no idea our Supporters Club would grow to such a huge number (even though they still should have designated a supporters only section). But just remember, this is hardly our (the Southsiders) fault, and we are always working towards making this into something much more positive (although it has already been a huge success).Post edited by geary3 at 2011-06-01 00:14:26Whitecaps FC, Chelsea FC, England
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The reason for my post here is there seems to be a "protest" position some are on rather than behind the club 100% win lose draw or a firing
I may have sounded more critical of the SS that I intended. The group has done great but to get bigger and better which is what we all want there is no doubt we need the fo to make changes
I personal will email barber and bobby my views tomorrow but without a assigned supporters section it will be tough to make it what we all want it to be
Songs in different sections going at once is not SS fault it is fo but my point is to get the masses involved some of the SS songs mean nothing to me and I have followed the caps since 78.
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The reason why there was no "TOT" portrait at the last game, (from what had been told told to me), is that it was mysteriously missing out if our container at Empire........hhhhhmmmm I wonder how and why that could've happened since we are not the only ones with access to that container.AKA: Pat
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Whitecats said:
And Lets continue to bring Teitur's poster to our games and march behnd it almost like a MARTER's poster that you see in places like Palastine and the middle east !!
Let's come up with a new chant about Teitur being our MARTER !!!!
hahaha good idea - I will be like 10 steps behind so that if we get photographed as a group I don't get "profiled" in the future as a potential "problem". -
Whitecats said:
And Lets continue to bring Teitur's poster to our games and march behnd it almost like a MARTER's poster that you see in places like Palastine and the middle east !!
Let's come up with a new chant about Teitur being our MARTER !!!!
Was I the only person who read this as sarcasm?I'm not sold on Soehn myself but I'll support him. I'll still be vocally supportive of Teitur though. It doesn't have to be one or the other.~ Blue Patch Plastic & Teitur Tot~ Member #: 40
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Whitecats said:
And Lets continue to bring Teitur's poster to our games and march behnd it almost like a MARTER's poster that you see in places like Palastine and the middle east !!
Seriously, WTF.This is football, not fucking terrorism. -
Well he's not a martyr. Signing him to a one year deal makes sense now. Could his system work in MLS, no. At the very least he's not the one to make it work with this group of players. I feel the club has given good reasons for the dismissal.
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Grandstander said:
Well he's not a martyr. Signing him to a one year deal makes sense now. Could his system work in MLS, no. At the very least he's not the one to make it work with this group of players. I feel the club has given good reasons for the dismissal.
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Lovethemcaps said:
I wasn't sure where to post my comment but here it goes
As a season ticket holder in the southside but not a member I must say I'm disappointed in what I have seen from the main supporters club to date
The SS I felt were the weakest yet against the red bull
It was not loud and no where near where we could or should be
I do blame a lot of this on the front office for seating situation
It is a joke that there is not a designated supporters section which I believe should be general admissiOn to avoid having what I saw Saturday with a group of 10 year old girls right next to 217
The point of my post is that it seems like the SS or at least some seem to more interested on there own agenda. Protest Tt firing!! For example
The SS need to work with the ft
This is just my point of view from being around the Southside for a few years now. The Southside has an agenda to expand singing and chanting throughout the sections and to try and provide a more organic sports experience compared to the other sports options in this town. Most of us in the Southside and the people who frequent this forum beleive in the importance of the Atmosphere and fun created from singing and chanting.
The Whitecaps FO has a totally different agenda than we do (Just my opinion). There agenda is to make money $$$$. Now the Whitecaps FO aren't stupid they realize that supporter culture has a place in all of this, but they don't really put much emphasis on it and it is often an after thought and sometimes a nuissance to them.
Your right the Southside wasn't loud and it won't be loud untill we can somehow get more of our members to sit closer together. This is going to take a long time to fix but we will eventually fix it.
Feel free to complain to the FO but don't expect them to do anything as we don't really have the same agenda's in all of this. Sounds crazy to say but we aren't on the same page.
When you consider all the different decisions that FO have made over the last couple of years one starts to get a more clear picture of the overall way the FO looks at things. -
Yes FO wants to make $$$ im sure but i do think they also want the atmosphere to be outstanding
No doubt they blew it with not have a seperate section for supporters! that was foolish.
Having said we all need to continue to work with not against them and maybe they will see the mistake they made.
My point to the SS is that as hard as it is to make it happen they way you are seated there are suggestions i think would help:
Keep the songs basic that work for all around. clap clap whitecaps gets a lot of eastside
Drop the profanity as no need or no use for it again unless you want to remain a small group
Drop the songs that mean something to the SS from 6 years ago at swangard. Means nothing to 95% of the people sitting around you. Remember there was maybe 50-100 at swangaard.
I will do my part to get FO to make the change to seating in future but "protest" etc are not the way to go about it.
Learning year for everyone!
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To their credit it would have been super risky for the FO to have made a dedicated supporters section in Empire. If you take the numbers the SSers had at Swangard and add it to the lack of passion in Canucks games it could have turned out to be a colossal failure. That being said I really would like to think that going forward they will see how much of a force we are becoming and that they can maximize profits by embracing us and our growth.
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Lovethemcaps said:
To carry on with my post
The SS need to work with fo not against
If the SS want to remain a small fun group which it is carry on as is
You claim to have 650 members but Saturday seemed like you had 200 chanters in the section
Changes needed as I see it
Work with fo not against
Drop the profanity on chants
Stop the chants that are SS when you had 50 members. I heard about 10 renditions of a pedophile song on Saturday. Lots of fun but still don't know the words as only about 30 people knew them?
If you want to remain a small tight knit group no changes required
If we want to have anything close to what we see in Seattle or Portland I see changes needed
Again I saw a huge drop off this past weekend
As I said in my other response to you: The FO really don't have the same agenda as us. Its very difficult to work with someone else that doesn't care about what you care about. It seems crazy to suggest but the FO, IMO, just don't care that much. They are focused on corrporate sponsers etc and making money (Not saying its wrong either). We aren't focused on that we all just want a great atmosphere.
My thinking is that if the FO were smart they would have been far more focused on helping to create supporters groups and foster there growth. Just like Toronto did. Just like Seattle did. Just like Portland did. In the long run this would actually make them money as people come to game because its the thing to do not just because the team happens to be winning at some particular point.
But nevertheless our FO have chossen a different path than the others and we have to live with that. Its going to take longer. Its going to be more ardous but I still believe that we will get there someday. Don't hold your breath about the FO magically wanting to listen to the supporters of the club. They've shown me over the years that they aren't really capable of understanding or caring about what we care about in the same way. Maybe over time?? -
Lovethemcaps said:
Yes FO wants to make $$$ im sure but i do think they also want the atmosphere to be outstanding
No doubt they blew it with not have a seperate section for supporters! that was foolish.
Having said we all need to continue to work with not against them and maybe they will see the mistake they made.
My point to the SS is that as hard as it is to make it happen they way you are seated there are suggestions i think would help:
Keep the songs basic that work for all around. clap clap whitecaps gets a lot of eastside
Drop the profanity as no need or no use for it again unless you want to remain a small group
Drop the songs that mean something to the SS from 6 years ago at swangard. Means nothing to 95% of the people sitting around you. Remember there was maybe 50-100 at swangaard.
I will do my part to get FO to make the change to seating in future but "protest" etc are not the way to go about it.
Learning year for everyone!
Let me ask a few questions then.
If the FO really wanted a fantastic atmosphere why would they:
1) Choose to make the traditional supporters section in the Southend the most expensive supporters section in the league?
2) Choose to create three different price points so it spread every Southsider we had out into 5 different sections?
3) Only offer the presale for the Southsiders to the two most expensive sections when we routinely told them that many of our members would be waiting for the cheapest tickets?
4) Sell tickets to families and public who had no idea that it was even a supporters section?
The Southside board explained the folly of the above decisions to the Whitecaps FO before they had become public. From what I understand the Whitecaps FO routinely ignored almost everything that the Southsiders were concerned about.
Does this sound like an organization that is really concerned about the atmosphere in the Southend?
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You Southsiders had a chance to have a unified section in the Aqua section right behind the net. Instead you bought cheap seats and are scattered all over the place. That is your problem not the Whitecaps. You like to think your important to the Whitecaps with what you bring to the matches, but face the truth you are a bunch of trouble makers in cheap seats.
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blazed said:
You Southsiders had a chance to have a unified section in the Aqua section right behind the net. Instead you bought cheap seats and are scattered all over the place. That is your problem not the Whitecaps. You like to think your important to the Whitecaps with what you bring to the matches, but face the truth you are a bunch of trouble makers in cheap seats.
Oh please shut the fuck up you troll. -
PBandG said:
To their credit it would have been super risky for the FO to have made a dedicated supporters section in Empire. If you take the numbers the SSers had at Swangard and add it to the lack of passion in Canucks games it could have turned out to be a colossal failure. That being said I really would like to think that going forward they will see how much of a force we are becoming and that they can maximize profits by embracing us and our growth.
That is exactly what Seattle did with the ECS. They had less memebers than we did. They were given there own little section at the cheapest price. They got all there members into one little section and grew from there.
Some of the Whitecaps own ticketing staff believed right up untill the prices were actually released that the pricing in Empire would be very similar to Seattle. There own staff believed that the Southsiders would get similar treatment to the ECS.
So how has that worked out for Seattle? How has that worked out for us?
Risky no way? Seattle had already pulled it off. Toronto had already pulled it off. Philly pulled it off. Why did we choose to go a different route?
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Neeskens1974 said:blazed said:
You Southsiders had a chance to have a unified section in the Aqua section right behind the net. Instead you bought cheap seats and are scattered all over the place. That is your problem not the Whitecaps. You like to think your important to the Whitecaps with what you bring to the matches, but face the truth you are a bunch of trouble makers in cheap seats.
Oh please shut the fuck up you troll.
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Hammer said:PBandG said:
Why did we choose to go a different route?
Purely speculative, but this may have to do with the experience of a man like Paul Barber. Let's face it, in the UK you don't have special supporters groups or sections and supporters are treated like shite in the knowledge they'll cough up the dough anyway.A club like Spurs can sell out year after year, with ST price increases every year and little to no concession given to supporters or 'groups'.I think they looked at the Southside and thought that frankly they had little residual 'value-added'. A massively wrong-headed approach for the MLS but I wouldn't be surprised.Let's face it, if they thought that the supporters were able to create an atmosphere they would have actively worked together with the SS and provided funds to make something truly unique and supporter driven.Instead they have chosen to spend $$$$$$ on 2 poxy Zeppelins and effete flags, an amateur drum sideshow that drives all supporters potty for 90 mins, and a NKOTB anthem played at ear-splittingly loud volume at the Southside end that kills the atmosphere from the start. -
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> Brenton said:
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Lord_Bob said:
Troublemakers in cheap seats, eh? I'll throw a beer bottle full of piss at you!
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div>Let's face it, if they thought that the supporters were able to create an atmosphere they would have actively worked together with the SS and provided funds to make something truly unique and supporter driven.start.
Or did they have the attitude that the atmosphere was going to be top notch with or without the Southsiders or some other supporters group? I have a feeling they thought we were going to have a Seattle or Toronto no matter what.
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Maybe...but again if so accounts for a certain amount of shortsightedness - why take such a risk? Look at how supporters in Toronto are treated.Hammer said:Or did they have the attitude that the atmosphere was going to be top notch with or without the Southsiders or some other supporters group? I have a feeling they thought we were going to have a Seattle or Toronto no matter what. -
Neeskens1974 said:
I just don't see that the FO had any other logical place to go to create atmosphere than the Southsiders. There was nothing else going on at Swangaurd.
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blazed said:
You Southsiders had a chance to have a unified section in the Aqua section right behind the net. Instead you bought cheap seats and are scattered all over the place. That is your problem not the Whitecaps. You like to think your important to the Whitecaps with what you bring to the matches, but face the truth you are a bunch of trouble makers in cheap seats.
I know this is a troll, but this is how I think the Whitecaps view the Southsiders. Toronto, Seattle and Philadelphia were so successful and they had so many deposits so it appears to me that they thought it was their destiny to the Canucks of Summer. It's clear that no one in the Whitecaps thought that they would have to treat their customers well, built a good team or advertise. -
Lovethemcaps said:
To carry on with my post
If the SS want to remain a small fun group which it is carry on as is
You claim to have 650 members but Saturday seemed like you had 200 chanters in the section
Changes needed as I see it
Work with fo not against
Drop the profanity on chants
Stop the chants that are SS when you had 50 members. I heard about 10 renditions of a pedophile song on Saturday. Lots of fun but still don't know the words as only about 30 people knew them?
If you want to remain a small tight knit group no changes required
If we want to have anything close to what we see in Seattle or Portland I see changes needed
Again I saw a huge drop off this past weekend
Hi Love Them Caps.
I'm a paid member of the SS, but live on Vancouver Island. I paid membership this year to support the SS, not because I was going to attend every home game. I'm an extreme case, but not every SS is a season ticket holder.
I agree with you about profanity, and have been one of the most consistent and frequent critic of swearing in chants both on this site and amongst the Lake Side Buoys in Victoria. This is Canada in 2011, not London in 1970, and swearing (like racism, sexism, religious bigotry, and anti-gay bigotry) has no place in football. The only way that more people will sing is if the chants are clean. I was attacked when I first suggested that the swearing should go; but more and more people keep pointing it out, and there is less defence of swearing, so hopefully people realise that growing the noise at Empire is more important than acting like naughty 12 year old boys. BTW, I swear a lot. But I know that it is counter-productive in football.
This club does work with the FO. You'll notice that once you visit this site a little longer.
Things that are needed include:
- More simple chants to involve others.
- Fewer people saying "I don't like that chant", and instead just joining them all.
- people willing to be capos, and FO allowing them to use megaphones.
- more people making home-made flags.
- Getting rid of those paid drummers who drown out the SS.
- Starting with everyone who sings in one place, ie making the end section rush rather than assigned seating.
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