capsclown123 said:

blazeofglory said:

Boundary_Road said: I am sick of this shit, 9 teams needed one chance to beat this team, and us .... wow , are you guys still selling iceland flags?

We lost to them under Teitur as well... So yeah, lets not turn on Rennie, this was the players shitting the bed not him. The team he put out should have destroyed this TFC joke of a team.

no we didnt. we lost to them under soehn.

Oh right, my mistake. Teitur was canned after the rained-out game right? Anyway, Rennie should not take the blame here regardless. The players were poor, end of.

So de we chant wankers when the caps are announced next game, because they were certainly that tonite. The only reason we have had any success lately is due to supreme individual efforts. Currently there is no teamwork and the coaching staff have lost the plot. Love the caps but if we choke on Saturday against Portscum then we really need to question this teams direction.

Congratulations to TFC and their fans.

For us? Thats 90 minutes we will never get back.

now that it doesn't matter, was that ball across the line that Cannon was holding?

VanCity_Piker said: I am so sick of Hassli antics. We get it, you were fouled. Sitting in the box for 30 seconds like a pouty baby instead of hussling back into play is far too frequent an occurence and not starter-worthy material.

Yes, the whole team played like shite, but Hassli... its just too much.

Yes, sitting on the field during the game play is disgraceful. Get your ass back up and get back into the play.

All Eric is doing is looking for the big highlight goal and complains to the ref every time he doesn't get things going his way.

Eric should be left as a 2nd half sub; he doesn't seem to be a full 90 minute player to me.

It was funny when Glass Joe went down; but JDG did strike him so I don't blame Joe for the red card; but it was a heck of a sell job; one of the funniest I have seen.

capsclown123 said:

Fynnsky said:

capsclown123 said: well, lets try to win the mls up or supporters shield...only way to get into ccl. but we know it's basically impossible...atm..

only US teams can get in that way

really? i asked a bunch of american supporters, and they said that we could still qualify that way.

http://www.concacafchampions.com/page/CL/201213/0,,12856,00.html Only way in for Canadian teams.

capsclown123 said:

OldFan said:

VanCity_Piker said: I am so sick of Hassli antics. We get it, you were fouled. Sitting in the box for 30 seconds like a pouty baby instead of hussling back into play is far too frequent an occurence and not starter-worthy material.

Yes, the whole team played like shite, but Hassli... its just too much.

Yes, sitting on the field during the game play is disgraceful. Get your ass back up and get back into the play.

All Eric is doing is looking for the big highlight goal and complains to the ref every time he doesn't get things going his way.

Eric should be left as a 2nd half sub; he doesn't seem to be a full 90 minute player to me.

It was funny when Glass Joe went down; but JDG did strike him so I don't blame Joe for the red card; but it was a heck of a sell job; one of the funniest I have seen.

he embellished it way too much. jun marques davidson...

I have an urge to play Punch-Out now.

So what's better, Hassli going down lightly after being fouled, or trying to continue on? I'd much rather see him fighting through the fouls and complaining after than going down lightly. At least he's showing some heart and effort, which was lacking from the whole team today.

OldFan said:

VanCity_Piker said: I am so sick of Hassli antics. We get it, you were fouled. Sitting in the box for 30 seconds like a pouty baby instead of hussling back into play is far too frequent an occurence and not starter-worthy material.

Yes, the whole team played like shite, but Hassli... its just too much.

Yes, sitting on the field during the game play is disgraceful. Get your ass back up and get back into the play.

All Eric is doing is looking for the big highlight goal and complains to the ref every time he doesn't get things going his way.

Eric should be left as a 2nd half sub; he doesn't seem to be a full 90 minute player to me.

It was funny when Glass Joe went down; but JDG did strike him so I don't blame Joe for the red card; but it was a heck of a sell job; one of the funniest I have seen.

I agree to on Jun Marques Davidson's antics. I would've done the same thing, why, cuz you're not supposed to let a player touch your face and two, you have to do anything to win, even if it means selling a foul for a red card. I guess some Canadians dont' watch South American footie games. Refs there can tell who's acting or actually fouled.

The love fest with Rennie needs to end, he needs to be judged on what his team does not on the fact that he replaced a complete wanker of coach results like tonite will have everyone calling for his head this time next year if things continue the way they are.

Lawman said: The love feat with Rennie needs to end, he needs to be judged on what his team does not on the fact that he replaced a complete wanker of coach results like tonite will have everyone calling for his head this time next year if things continue the way they are.

But the team has been good overall this year...

blazeofglory said: Ok people are now immediately knee-jerk over-reacting. This was a shit loss, but the team is clearly moving in the right direction. Look how we played vs Seattle, and every other decent team we've come up against. Look at our league position compared to last year.

There seems to be a problem of not being up for it against poor teams though... which I guess doesn't bode well for the Portland game...

This. Also agree the Chiumiento, Koffie, Davidson suggestion. Chiumiento and Canon were the only decent players on the whitecaps tonight. Also looking forward to seeing how much longer the Winter saga continues.

capsclown123 said:

ClaytonA said:

capsclown123 said:

Fynnsky said:

capsclown123 said: well, lets try to win the mls up or supporters shield...only way to get into ccl. but we know it's basically impossible...atm..

only US teams can get in that way

really? i asked a bunch of american supporters, and they said that we could still qualify that way.

http://www.concacafchampions.com/page/CL/201213/0,,12856,00.html Only way in for Canadian teams.

pretend we won the mls cup somehow, we wont qualify, right?

That's correct. The CL spots in MLS belong to the USSF. They can't be assigned to Canadian teams. That's why the VC is vital.

Number4 said: Overreaction much? Did you watch the Seattle game? Night and day difference between then and tonight, I can't explain what happened against TFC but we're clearly moving in the right direction.

I think Rennie messed up the starting line up again. He should have started Salgado and left Eric on the bench for a 70th minute type of substitution.

Bringing in Harvey was not a good idea; I really don't think he should even be on the roster.

I loved Cannon's effort at the end running end to end and gassing himself out. That is a guy who really wanted this game. Some of the other players should take heed of that kind of effort.

Only thing I think Rennie got wrong was not either starting Chiumiento or bringing him on earlier. We needed to score the whole game and without him we struggle to create.

capsclown123 said:

ClaytonA said:

capsclown123 said:

Fynnsky said:

capsclown123 said: well, lets try to win the mls up or supporters shield...only way to get into ccl. but we know it's basically impossible...atm..

only US teams can get in that way

really? i asked a bunch of american supporters, and they said that we could still qualify that way.

http://www.concacafchampions.com/page/CL/201213/0,,12856,00.html Only way in for Canadian teams.

pretend we won the mls cup somehow, we wont qualify, right?

No, spots are given out to federation, not league. Canada gets 1 spot and chooses to give it to the winner of the V's cup. The USA has 4 spots and gives one out to the MLS cup winner, US open cup winner, Supporters shield ETC. If a Canadian club wins the MLS cup the USSF will give the spot to the next highest league finisher.

The US soccer federation would have no interest in giving one of their spots to a Canadian club (not that they could anyways)

SAFC_Yank said:

Lawman said: The love feat with Rennie needs to end, he needs to be judged on what his team does not on the fact that he replaced a complete wanker of coach results like tonite will have everyone calling for his head this time next year if things continue the way they are.

Oh, for feck's sake. We're in a playoff spot right now, and seventh out of the 19 overall. If that's where we sit this time next year, we're just fine.

Agreed...Rennie's here to invent a winning atmosphere in a team that had one and then destroyed it last year. .The loss aside, if he keeps going in this direction, we'll be fine.

The Caps have been bounced from the Road to Morocco 2013:

More than 200 teams worldwide remain on that road, including the Manchester clubs, Arsenal and Chelsea FC.

I read a tweet that said that never before in the history of worldwide Champions Leagues, has a 0-0-9 team clinched a CL berth.

I'll be rooting hard for TFC, Flounders and galaxy to fail miserably in the CCL, since I hate those clubs.

This game has nothing to do with our position in the League, it was a cup game with our bitter rival and they blew it. This game stands in its own right and will be discussed until we play this tournament again next year.

It was a fail.

Lawman said: The love fest with Rennie needs to end, he needs to be judged on what his team does not on the fact that he replaced a complete wanker of coach results like tonite will have everyone calling for his head this time next year if things continue the way they are.

You mean last place pre-Rennie to 4th in the conference post-Rennie?

Silly billy.

On Chiumiento ... he doesn't appear able (or Rennie doesn't believe him able) to play 90 minutes at the best of times. He just played 80 on Saturday. Given a possibility of extra time, I can see not starting him. Allow him to come on when people are tired and the game is a bit stretched, and if the game goes extras, he's there at the end.

Carlo Corrazin making an interesting point about Camilo and Hassli struggling to co-exist - might give weight to the idea Salgado is a better fit with Hassli. Camilo wants to cut inside, Hassli restricts that. Salgado seems more willing to stay wide take guys on in isolation.

limmeister said: I'm disappointed with the results as well. But the team is better than it was last year (at least, in league play, can't say the same thing for TFC fans). I still believe that Rennie is a terrific coach, and a smart one at that. every coach will make some bad calls and mistakes when it comes to their decisions (i.e. Alain Vigneault...). Unfortunate that we couldn't win tonight, and the players have themselves to blame for not winning the Voyageurs Cup. But there's always next year....

the 'Caps should have a better record though (they should be 6-3-2, instead of 5-3-3). They'll win against Portland. I can't see Rennie allowing the team to perform the way they did tonight again in Portland. They'll have a better game. It still stings..that we got beat by the 'worst team in the world'.... a team that's 0-9 (thus far). but meh, move on. looking forward to Saturday's game already. Put this one behind us.

I liked Rennie's honesty, and bluntness when he asked about the game. He was unhappy, and rightfully so.

Actually a bit worried about Portland because I fear the travel and the run of games might take their toll. Can't see us having a full-strength XI available.

Rennie really needs to take more of the blame here. After watching his team be ineffective against TFC last week, he stuck with basically the same lineup. If they were tired, then he didn't rotate the squad very well. If they weren't mentally prepared, then part of that falls on him too. And after a bad first half, he made no changes until it was too late. I'm not saying the players are above blame (they're not), but this two legged series was some of their biggest games of the season, they failed miserably, and Rennie deserves a good portion of the blame.

And I hate when the team plays like shit and the coach starts blaming the ref, even when the officiating is poor.

Watchmen said: Rennie really needs to take more of the blame here. After watching his team be ineffective against TFC last week, he stuck with basically the same lineup. If they were tired, then he didn't rotate the squad very well. If they weren't mentally prepared, then part of that falls on him too. And after a bad first half, he made no changes until it was too late. I'm not saying the players are above blame (they're not), but this two legged series was some of their biggest games of the season, they failed miserably, and Rennie deserves a good portion of the blame.

And I hate when the team plays like shit and the coach starts blaming the ref, even when the officiating is poor.

Are you in my brain?

Completely agree on every point.

I blame this mostly on the players, but barely. The Caps looked absolutely flaccid in the first half. Needed to bring on Chiumiento or Mattocks or Salgado at the half. And this was NOT the officials fault, although he may have missed a couple calls.

FootyMonster said: Cant understand why Salgado and Chiumiento didnt start, Whitecaps shit the bed huge. To judge Hassli tonight is a little unfair, right from the first minute Henry and Cann were playing dirty, starting with Canns nasty elbow to the back of the big mans head. Hassli had a bad game sure, but he needs better service and its not coming from Thorrington. TFC were full value for the win and congrats to them.

Oh and LAWMAN, take your pills and some water and go to sleep.

Totally agree, and was very surprised to see no changes at the half as that was without a doubt the worst first half all season. Chiumiento really needed to come on to start the 2nd, we needed a goal and were playing with Thorington and Koffie as our attacking midfield options? This is a glaring weakness of this team, and everybody must know it by now, I hope Robson will be enough and hopefully the club will make a move to improve the depth at the back as well.

As painful as it is to admit, TFC deserved it over both legs, epic fail Whitecaps.

We need a strong game in Portland!