The Soehn criticism thread

OldFan · Post edited by OldFan at 2011-09-12 11:46:12

1 - assembled a very average squad

2 - over-estimated said squad

3 - put his own personal ambition to be the "on field" manager ahead of the good of the club

4 - had Teitur sacked for his own personal agenda

5 - blatantly lied to all supporters and the public about his true intentions. And then further lied by saying a simple change in tactics would change the teams results

6 - will not admit he built a sub-standard squad; and instead keeps making excuses like blaming the manager or tactics

7 - punted Jay Nolly for an over-the-hill castoff simply because Tommy wanted to prove his expansion picks were better than Teitur's choices (again his own personal ego and agenda)

8- claimed putting Davide in a different position would lead to better results... well, it hasn't

9- has ruined the chemistry of the club through his own personal ambitions; even his captain is giving up and not putting in a full effort any more. The team has basically quit on Soehn and the club.

10 - remains arrogantly thinking that he is the solution and not part of the problem

I could go on.. but 10 is a nice round number.

It amazes me that so many educated and informed supporters are blind to Soehn's complete destruction of our club and are blindly supporting him. I tried to be the voice of reason on Soehn, and warned a lot of people things would get worse with him as the on field manager. I have been proven to be right.

I also remember last year when he was signed; that on some message boards they were making fun of us for taking this guy. I think we know why now.

His personal agenda is going to ravage this clubs finances as I do not think they will have a hope of getting even 10,000 season ticket holders next year. They will be desperately trying to sell match packs to get the stadium full.

krisaug5

I'm not sure about that hit on DeMerit. He has been battling that groin, and possibly his "taking it easy" is just a result of he doesnt want to get injured and not be able to play. If taking it easy in a game results in NOT missing 2-4 games with injury, then I would agree with that. Especially now that Mouloud is no longer with us.

DavidCross · Post edited by DavidCross at 2011-07-02 14:53:40

OldMan,

Which retirement/care centre are you located in?

moosemaniac

hard to argue with too much of that, i do think however that your constant battering of everything caps related is a bit over the top.

we as supporters need to get (stay) behind the players. looking on the bright side we have only lost one game in10 at empire.

Lord_Bob

I don't think anyone would be posting on this forum about how frustrated they are if they weren't behind the Whitecaps 110%.

Chris

Can we close this thread or one of the 5 previous ones? I prefer to know exactly where to look when I want to read vitriolic posts about Soehn, his superiors and anyone who disagrees with the poster's point of view.

OldFan

Chris said:
Can we close this thread or one of the 5 previous ones? I prefer to know exactly where to look when I want to read vitriolic posts about Soehn, his superiors and anyone who disagrees with the poster's point of view.

This is my summary thread; so please keep with this one.

OldFan

moosemaniac said:
hard to argue with too much of that, i do think however that your constant battering of everything caps related is a bit over the top.

we as supporters need to get (stay) behind the players. looking on the bright side we have only lost one game in10 at empire.

My battering is centered around Tommy Soehn and his destruction of our club. it is not anti-whitecaps at all. I care about the club and that is why I am so angry at what Soehn is doing to our club.

Lord_Bob

When they introduce Soehn pre-game on Wednesday, we should do a "IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT" chant.

BillyRay

I think they should change out the first team with the PDL team. They have at least one player making exciting football up top and scoring goals to boot. OH sorry I forgot Chinese are too short, too weak and can’t play soccer.

Lawman

Seriously Old fan gets it, for anyone who questions him as a fan your out to lunch. Also if you can't at least agree with some of his points then your delusional.

Blue_and_White_Army

Putting Wagner and Duckett on the bench as defenders instead of Knight was ridiculous.

Smapti

I think Knight should have started over Leathers. Normally Leathers is the better defender but I think Knight had more pace to deal with Gary. In the last two games especially the one in Vancouver Knight did a solid job and kept up with Coleman.

Lawman

Wagner has definitely improved his game since his torrid outings earlier in the season. I definitely would pick him over Duckett

Blue_and_White_Army

^ Over Knight, though?

Lawman

no Wagner and Knight on the bench for me today.

Blue_and_White_Army

^ For me as well, but Knight to come on to replace DeMermit. He is far superior to Wagner.

EnglishSteve

.....YESSSSSS!!!!!!!! Another new thread started on all the old stuff......

If I was TS, I would be getting advice from VPD on how to obtain a restraining order.......

Surreysider

My new chant to the tune of "Yellow Submarine"

Lets go outside and enjoy the sun
*clap clap*
and enjoy the sun
*clap clap*
and enjoy the sun
*clap clap*

*End of my posts until the work week starts

Chris

Lawman said:
Seriously Old fan gets it, for anyone who questions him as a fan your out to lunch. Also if you can't at least agree with some of his points then your delusional.

I agree with many of his points, disagree with others, and would generally like to see him stop spamming the board with a new thread every other day.

CEndersby

Tommy drove DCU into the ground and he is working on doing the same to us, he's a useless overweight bum and he was the one who got this team together. Also I'd like to say that Teitur lost only once vs TFC in 4 years when he was coach, Tommy lost twice in a week to TFC.

Lefty

Somebody asked would TS get the credit if the team won the NCC. Scratch that eh.

tim13

Lord_Bob said:
When they introduce Soehn pre-game on Wednesday, we should do a "IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT" chant.

I think a chant of "Any time now" would be better. After all he is the one who said it wouldn't take much to turn this around.

Tommy "any time now" Soehn.

I like both our keepers but today was the worst I've seen Cannon play. Nolly used to play outfield positions so his handling of the ball with his feet is eons better than Cannon's.

We didn't pass well today or hold possession. Long ball is dead. I mean once in a while to relieve pressure or try a fast break to keep the other team's defense honest sure (even Barca does that) but the constant pounding and praying doesn't work.

thealbinowhino · Post edited by Blue_and_White_Army at 2011-07-02 20:46:01

Lawman said:
Seriously Old fan gets it, for anyone who questions him as a fan your out to lunch. Also if you can't at least agree with some of his points then your delusional.

The thing is any few salient points Oldfan has are quickly eclipsed by his maniacal
attacks on Soehn's character and integrity. No less than 6 of the 10 above contained references to TS lying or having an agenda as the reasons for the team's struggles. Maybe he's just doing a shitty job. Maybe he's just a shitty coach. Maybe it's just a shitty team. The conspiracy theories along with his clear and admitted bias
for TT make it impossible to take him seriously (not to mention the thread after thread on the same subject).

Seathanaich

OldFan said:
It amazes me that so many educated and informed supporters are blind to Soehn's complete destruction of our club and are blindly supporting him.

That's not what people are doing. We're just not all whiny drama queens like you are.

Blue_and_White_Army

Alright - enough of this infantile slagging match, everyone. Stay on topic or this thread gets locked.

No more personal attacks, including against Soehn. Discuss management decisions, not personal weight or whatnot, please.

Watchmen

Lord_Bob said:
When they introduce Soehn pre-game on Wednesday, we should do a "IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT" chant.

Bases on his post-game comments, I get the feeling that's what Soehn is chanting at the players during his half time speeches.

krisaug5

^ I agree. That atmosphere and trust has been lost. I fear it is something that will take months, if not years to rebuild... if at all, even...

FootyMonster · Post edited by FootyMonster at 2011-07-02 22:43:23

krisaug5 said:
^ I agree. That atmosphere and trust has been lost. I fear it is something that will take months, if not years to rebuild... if at all, even...

Its because all the players are now looking over their shoulders
wondering whats next? TS' line up decisions don't seem to be based on
performance but preference, I just cant get over choosing Brovsky
and subbing in Wagner for DeMerit.

Does anyone have any insight as to why DeMerit was yanked? Injury or performance?

Blue_and_White_Army · Post edited by Blue_and_White_Army at 2011-07-03 10:08:17

I assumed it was injury, but apparently DeMerit openly criticized Soehn for the substitution as he was walking off the pitch. So I'll assume it was performance/tactical.

slamo

^^Also interesting to note that Wagner took the Captains armband from DeMerit and gave it to Rochat even though Dunfield was on the pitch. Public shaming of your Captain and Alternate shows true leadership on Sohens part. I'll be misspelling his name intentionally from now on as a small form of protest.

rodderzzz

to be fair Rochat should be captain, far and away the best player we have and the best leader too

krisaug5

Rochat's the go to guy after DeMerit in my eyes as well, but if officially (and historically to this point) it's been Dunfield, you gotta give it to him. Mental issues arise if you don't... I could not understand EVER using Blake Wagner... Better options were present for TS.

EnglishSteve

FootyMonster said:

Its because all the players are now looking over their shoulders
wondering whats next?

For me, players should always be looking over their shoulders. There should be competition for places and you are always only as good as your last performance.

Bad_Gones

OldFan said:

Chris said:
Can we close this thread or one of the 5 previous ones? I prefer to know exactly where to look when I want to read vitriolic posts about Soehn, his superiors and anyone who disagrees with the poster's point of view.

This is my summary thread; so please keep with this one.

Wow. You must be special to get your OWN PERSONAL thread.

FFS mods ... merge these threads.

Bad_Gones

Blue_and_White_Army said:
I assumed it was injury, but apparently DeMerit openly criticized Soehn for the substitution as we was walking off the pitch. So I'll assume it was performance/tactical.

If you were sitting with me at the cellar you'd have heard that same assessment ... except that I think TS was trying to make a point with his captain. CANNOT see any tactical benefit to that move

valleywhitecaps

I agree OldFan gets it. Its just getting tiresome to hear him go on and on and on and on and on and on about it, resurrecting old discussion threads so he can say "i told you so" over and over again ... boring! TS is not the answer. I don't think anyone on this board thinks he is the answer.

Weisskap

so sack Soehn at the end of the season if the team is still in last place. If we still suck after we get a new manager, then sack Barber. I just pray it doesn't take 5+ years for us to get a decent season like that team we just lost twice to.

Blue_and_White_Army

Bad_Gones said:

OldFan said:

Chris said:
FFS mods ... merge these threads.

As far as I'm aware, this Vanilla forum software doesn't offer that function.

rodderzzz

I don't mind the decision to take DeMerit off, nor the decision to make Rochat captain. You need a manager who's got big enough balls to make big decisions. I'm not saying TS iis the man for the job (time will tell over the next 16 games) but it's refreshing that he's brave enough to make the change and change the tactics if it's not working, as apposed to rigidly playing 442 and never changing it. Ever. Under any circumstance.

thealbinowhino · Post edited by thealbinowhino at 2011-07-03 17:28:22

Bad_Gones said:

Blue_and_White_Army said:
I assumed it was injury, but apparently DeMerit openly criticized Soehn for the substitution as we was walking off the pitch. So I'll assume it was performance/tactical.

If you were sitting with me at the cellar you'd have heard that same assessment ... except that I think TS was trying to make a point with his captain. CANNOT see any tactical benefit to that move

I think it was probably as simple as a defender needed to come off for a more
attack minded player and TS took off the guy dealing with an injury (so as not to
aggravate it and lose more time). The fact that Demerit wasn't happy doesn't mean it was performance related or trying to make a point necessarily. JD is obviously a very competitive person and probably wouldn't want to come off regardless of the situation. The fact that he is dealing with the groin again probably means he was the right person to take off the back line. Now who he was replaced with is another story.

Of course I purposely have not read or listened to a single article or interview post
game so maybe I'm completely out to lunch on this one.

Blue_and_White_Army

^ But Knight is our most attack-minded defender. Wagner is.... well, Wagner. I still don't get it.

thealbinowhino

Blue_and_White_Army said:
^ But Knight is our most attack-minded defender. Wagner is.... well, Wagner. I still don't get it.

Knight wasn't included on the game day roster and wasn't available but Wagner was. That I don't get.

FootyMonster

EnglishSteve said:

FootyMonster said:

Its because all the players are now looking over their shoulders
wondering whats next?

For me, players should always be looking over their shoulders. There should be competition for places and you are always only as good as your last performance.

Agreed but not at the expense of morale on the squad, it becoming clear to me that TS is not so good at the man management issue, DeMerit's departure from the NCC final leg was very telling... it was as thought TS had already lost the room based on his decisions up to date.

maybe just coming to a head this last game.

Bad_Gones

To be more offensive minded they brought on Blake Wagner? Is that what is being suggested?

thealbinowhino · Post edited by thealbinowhino at 2011-07-03 20:44:05

^Well I highly doubt it was for his defensive prowess. Although at this pint
I suppose nothing should surprise me.

OldFan

I have a feeling DeMerit will be stripped of the captaincy soon; and one of Soehn's boys will take the armband. Soehn's people management skill are horrible and he plays favorites and protects his own signings. The chemistry and morale of the club under Teitur was quite good! It is crumbling since Tommy took over and it will only get worse.

OldFan

Bad_Gones said:

OldFan said:

Chris said:
Can we close this thread or one of the 5 previous ones? I prefer to know exactly where to look when I want to read vitriolic posts about Soehn, his superiors and anyone who disagrees with the poster's point of view.

This is my summary thread; so please keep with this one.

Wow. You must be special to get your OWN PERSONAL thread.

FFS mods ... merge these threads.

I will keep my exposing of Tommy Soehn to this particular thread if that will make everyone happy.

rodderzzz

OldFan said:
he plays favorites and protects his own signings.

like TT was doing?

Chris

rodderzzz said:

OldFan said:
he plays favorites and protects his own signings.

like TT was doing?

And wasn't Demerit a Soehn signing?

OldFan · Post edited by OldFan at 2011-07-03 23:38:49

Chris said:

rodderzzz said:

OldFan said:
he plays favorites and protects his own signings.

like TT was doing?

And wasn't Demerit a Soehn signing?

Yes

But, Demerit forged a good relationship with Teitur. He took the firing poorly and has not been the same since. He is starting to not put in a full effort and will at some point lose his captaincy. This is the way Tommy likes to treat his players

It is almost like Soehn is out seeking revenge on anyone who supported Teitur and was displeased with the sacking.

I actually would be interested in getting a statement from the Southsider's executive on the current situation under Soehn. There seems to be a lot of support for Tommy and I would like to know the official word from the group.

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