Cannon or Nolly

Southside_Regular · Post edited by Southside_Regular at 2011-03-07 14:03:25

With just one more pre season test, and having seen the Cascadia Summit matches, who is the front runner for the starting job on March 19th?

I heard many after the Seattle match say that Nolly is currently the man. I'm going with Joe Cannon as I saw him to be the stronger of the 2. Nolly had a couple of troubles against Portland including the mistake on the goal. Cannon has ,of course, the experience and made good stops in both games.

td04

#shootjoecannonoutofacannon

GoF

It's a tough one. Nolly make a couple of mistakes in the two game but made some important stops too. Cannon had a couple of highlight reel stops.

My heart says Nolly, but I really don't know enough about Cannon.

Footy

Tough one for me as both played well but not enough for me to say one keeper was has an upper hand as Cannon is still not 100% I would have to say the job is Nolly's for now.

ynwasouthside

John Entwhistle, er Joe Cannon as you call him, has too much experience at this level and is still pretty young for a keeper. At $200k per year, I don't see him sitting on the bench. A platoon situation is the best Nolly can hope for.

The_Real_Deal

Nolly for me 100%. Some of his saves were top draw.

Cannon looked a little wobbly when he came on v Shittle. Maybe he's afraid of the #shootjoecannonoutofacannon campaign

Bistchen

Nolly, based on seniority and proving himself a stellar keeper in the USL.

However, its reassuring to see a really good performance from our newest keeper.

piltdownman

I would like to see Nolly get a chance to prove himself.

Hammer

Not to take anything away from him but Nolly didn't have his best season last year. He made quite a few mistakes throughout the year that led to goals. (Not that he was horrible either.) The previous year he was an absolute stand out though. Im guessing Nolly will start. Just have that feeling about Teitur that he's a loyal guy.

JohnnieMonster

Joe is not fully fit, so I think it's Nolly's job to lose.

Honestly though, a dilemma like this is a blessing. Two GREAT keepers!

Evil_Bert

i think Nolly has earned himself the start on March 19th.

The friendly on the 12th could change things if Cannon has a great game but Nolly looked like the better goalie during the weekend.

It could work out for the better when you consider how congested the schedule is in April. Have Nolly and Cannon split the duties.

Ekchuah

I feel more confident with Joe between the "pipes" His size is intimidating, just wait till he get's fully fit ! I mean he didn't win MVP for nothing.

Lefty

I don't think they signed Cannon to be the back-up. Unless there are fitness, niggling little injury issues he starts against TFC

WhiteLightning

Cannon should be the starter after watching both goalies get some real action in the Cascadia Summit. I definitely feel more comfortable with Cannon in the net, and I don't think we need to start off the season with an unstable rookie. MLS is much faster than most think. Especially, to the new guys!

Cannon is deemed fit, his injury is back 100%, and he only needs Game minutes to really buff out any rust rom off season/injury. That seemed pretty apparent in his first few outings as he progressed nicely the longer he played.

It make most sense Cannon should be starting in goal for the opener.

SAFC_Yank

My sense from the interview on FullTime on Sunday night was that Teitur doesn't think Cannon is fully fit yet and Nolly is likely to start the opener.

And Nolly isn't a rookie, he spent a couple years in the league, was even traded for Freddy Adu. He's at exactly the point in his career where he should be ready to step forward.

Kevin

I would start Cannon, but Nolly will hold his own.

tim13

Given his age I think the Caps will go with Canon for 2/3rds of the games but making sure Nolly gets enough action to keep him happy and prevent rust. Over the next several years Nolly will take on the top spot. Hopefully both can stay healthy.

In a physical league like MLS having 2 quality keepers is not a luxury, it is a necessity.

Grandstander

Nolly. USSF D2 keeper of the year. Cannon still getting through injuries. Should be Nolly's job to lose.

masster

Nolly showed at the end of last season that he is not top notch MLS quality. As soon as Cannon is ready, he should start.

86er

Mass I don't really see how. Yeah he had a few bad games, but he was stealing a bunch of them for the Caps last year which was crucial because we had such a hard time getting goals.

geary3

Nolly vs. TFC cause he's seen more action and is in better game shape at the moment. once Cannon is back in form, im sure that'll be a tough battle for the starting position

WhiteLightning

Ok, Ok, Ok... This has gone on long enough. It's getting embarrassing.

Can we finally get Cannon in the net to help bolster our back line and set the Caps back on track?

AJAX79

Two great keepers is a good blessing to have. I don't think that Nolly's is past his prime just yet and with Cannon not 100% it is Nolly's job to loose. Nolly isn't the sole reason why we have been stuggling as of late. It would be a much harder decision to make if Cannon was 100%. I know that there has been a couple of soft goals but the great saves out weigh the soffties by a long shot.

Keep working at it Nolly.

blazeofglory · Post edited by blazeofglory at 2011-04-25 10:49:17

Nolly has bee pretty good, but has also made some mistakes. Wouldn't mind giving Cannon another shot since its still early in the season. These guys need to compete with each other to win the no. 1 position.

ynwasouthside

It's not just about saves and goals. It's about marshalling the defense, making good decisions, and having good distribution. Nolly is failing on all three counts. While 8 goals in 5 matches at home is also totally inexcusable.
Meanwhile, we have arguably one of the best keepers in MLS history taking up space on the bench when his $200k+ per year takes up close to 10% of our caps space. I hope Ajax is right and Cannon is not 100%, but I have not heard this reported by anyone. My understanding is that Teitur is making a tactical decision, standing by his keeper of three years. Great if it works, but it's clearly not.

Neeskens1974

Nolly is a decent keeper and actually a good shot stopper and is pretty brave. But on balance I think he is lacking in several departments.

Goalkicks and punts. He has a poor kick on him. We don't tend to build from the back so we tend to lose possession very quickly owing to a lack of quality there.

In his defense, we lack a defence that can build from the back and move the ball effectively to midfield and to the forwards so we are left with no choice.

As ynwa says, he also needs to marshall his defense when defending out he needs to be giving the backline hell and getting them OUT. We are keeping offenses onside all the time.

I think he could be more commanding in the air as well picking up crosses and free kicks.

These are all things that can be practised and hammered in during training.

As long as Cannon is in injured though, there isn't much choice.

AJAX79

The comment about him not being effective enough in his comunication (or lack of) with the deffence is a good point. If this is the case then he will have to improve 100% in this department or there will be too much confusion at the back side and we will forever be keeping the players from the other team on side. He needs to take a little more charge at the back and keep pushing the troops.

Dutchman

I am a big Nolly fan, but I think he needs a break to look at the game from a another point of view. Cannon should get at least the next two starts.

capsfan88

Dutchman said:
I am a big Nolly fan, but I think he needs a break to look at the game from a another point of view. Cannon should get at least the next two starts.

+1

I think that Nolly should be #1 as he's earned that, but he needs a break.

Whitecats

Nolly looked flat footed on that 2nd goal Dallas scored- he should have come out and challenged instead of just staying on the goal line; mind you, it was another horrendous break down in our central defence.

Hammer

I noticed at least two big mistakes for Nolly in the Dallas game.

First, he did not rise up and take the ball aggressively enough on the penalty, he was bumped a bit, but he needed to get up there and control his box and have that ball. He didn't and it was spilled and then Rochat had to, in desperation, lunge at the ball.

Second, and he got away with this one, he came out and clattered right into a Dallas player right on the edge of the box. Most times that is a penalty.

For me, he is still making too many mental errors. He needs to clean it up a bit.

Krammerhead

Nolly is a nice guy and all (I added that so Wendy doesn't kill me) but this is MLS and he hasn't yet earned #1 status in this league.

capsfan88

Krammerhead said:
Nolly is a nice guy and all (I added that so Wendy doesn't kill me) but this is MLS and he hasn't yet earned #1 status in this league.

Lol I see my abrupt and continual Nolly defences are gaining a rep...hmm... :p

krisaug5

Nolly's a good goalie, but perhaps we play Cannon against Montreal to give Nolly a break. there's alot of games coming up in the next 3 weeks.

WhiteLightning

Krammerhead said:
Nolly is a nice guy and all (I added that so Wendy doesn't kill me) but this is MLS and he hasn't yet earned #1 status in this league.

Agreed 100%.

Montana

My hope is Cannon gets the start today, keeps a clean sheet, and takes over the #1 spot from here on out.

#shootjoecannonoutofacannon

Montana

Even though he kept a clean sheet, Nolly really didn't do anything to contradict any of our concerns over his recent play.......seemed shaky as hell on a number of plays.

Hope Cannon gets this Saturday's game, and gets a little run here...

PBandG

Give him a little credit though. Some of those defensive plays (thinking the suuuuper weak header) were the cause of him looking shaky.

masster

No need to concede that penalty against Columbus. The attacker was going away from goal and would have been at a very bad angle. that goal changed the game.

WhiteLightning

I really can't believe what I am seeing... or... shall I say, I really can't believe what TT is doing?

This is absurd! We have one of the Top MLS Goalkeepers of all-time, and TT continues to play Nolly after he flubs, and flubs, and flubs. Now, I am starting to question TT's loyalty? Dare I say "favoritism!"

If Cannon is not in the next match, I definitely think we have concern for our Manager.

CEndersby

Sorry I like Nolly but Cannon needs to start he is a better quality keeper, that's not knocking Nolly it is just true, there is a reason he has won MLS keeper of the year award twice.

Chris

Not necessarily disagreeing with you, but 86 forever makes the good point today that Cannon's keeper of the year days are long past. As it stands, he's a dude that got left unprotected in the expansion draft over a journeyman. If nothing else, he should get the start next week against his old team.

ShearerBC

Watched both keepers warming up against
Montreal. Cannon looked like he was going to hurl before the warm up was over, I think Nollys youth and fitness is key to why he's getting the starts.

Montana

Chris said:
Not necessarily disagreeing with you, but 86 forever makes the good point today that Cannon's keeper of the year days are long past. As it stands, he's a dude that got left unprotected in the expansion draft over a journeyman. If nothing else, he should get the start next week against his old team.

That may be true, but it doesn't change the fact Cannon's one performance, was arguably the best we've had in goal all season.

Cannon doesn't need to be in 'Keeper of the Year' form, to be an upgrade over Nolly.

WhiteLightning

Montana said:

Chris said:
That may be true, but it doesn't change the fact Cannon's one performance, was arguably the best we've had in goal all season.

Cannon doesn't need to be in 'Keeper of the Year' form, to be an upgrade over Nolly.

+1

WhiteLightning

Interesting - Forrest much harsher than I thought he'd be. Took a couple real shots at Soehn.

The biggest one was implying that Soehn really wanted to be coaching, rather than in the front office.

Also said he thinks Salmon is gone because Cannon is the guy Soehn brought in through the expansion draft and he hasn't been playing.

Mind, he also said the Whitecaps were playing the best of any first-year expansion team since Chicago in 1998, which is just daft.

The writing was on the wall for this goalkeeper scenario. Nolly, being a TT / Salmon guy from the beginning (4 years ago), was obvious that there would be a strong loyalty to him as a starter.

Cannon, obviously brought in by Soehn (among all the other experienced guys) was getting the shaft, and pushed aside as "unhealthy" or "not 100%" due to off season injury. Thats all BS!!

TT has a stubborn label to his name already, and I think that is how this scenario played out. Nobody can deny that Cannon should have been in the net for a few of the games during that crazy stretch of games played recently. I feel the whole front office wanted Cannon in there WAY more than one game. The team would've benefited, and both goalkeepers would have as well.

Now, Soehn has control and I believe we will see a lot more of Cannon (as we should) along with an overall balanced starting line-up of experience AND youth.

THIS WILL MAKE US BETTER!!!

I have new expectations, and I am way more confident going forward.

Go Whitecaps!

Montana

Looking forward to a legit competition, with the best man winning...

geary3

Weber tweeted today -- "Based on the relative moods of Jay Nolly and Joe Cannon at training today, I'd say the latter will start Wednesday."

looks like Soehn is already switching stuff up by starting Cannon tomorrow night, both goalies are capable in my mind, so I'm fine with this.

AJAX79

I don't know how many times that we really need to be touching on this debate over and over again since it's really not the goalkeeping that's the reason we are where we are so far this season.

Lord_Bob

WhiteLightning said:
Nolly, being a TT / Salmon guy from the beginning (4 years ago), was obvious that there would be a strong loyalty to him as a starter.

Teitur's shown no discernible preference for players he's brought in over players Soehn's brought in. Cannon was cast off in the expansion draft, is old, and started the season with an injury. Most fans agree that Nolly has been no worse than "fine" (if not much better). Blowing up starting one fairly equal, younger keeper over one fairly equal, older keeper into some "stubborn" thing is making a mountain out of nothing whatsoever.

Neeskens1974

I don't think anyone can claim 100% that Cannon deserves to play over Nolly.

These things are determined at training and during the games. Nolly can't be blamed for any of the losses (he arguably saved a few games) - and I really thought his first 2-3 games were very mediocre.

If he is consistently looking sharper during training, then Nolly should be in goal.

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