April 23 2011 :: Vancouver Whitecaps v FC Dallas :: MLS Round 7 (R)

piltdownman

Who: Vancouver Whitecaps (1-2-3) v FC Dallas (0-2-3)

When: Saturday, 04/23/11, 4:00 PM

Where: Empire Field, Vancouver, BC

Watch: SNET PAC

Listen: 1410 AM

piltdownman · Post edited by piltdownman at 2011-04-18 12:29:49

09:30am Tifo Setup

11:00am Oscar's Pub Opens

11:30am Membership Package Pickup and Signup Starts

02:30pm Membership Package Pickup and Signup Ends

03:00pm Rally Starts from Oscar's

03:00pm Gates Open

04:00pm Match

06:00pm Return to Oscar's Pub

06:00pm Bus to Doolin's leaves

Just a reminder of the Southsiders Deal at Oscars. Two Granville
Island Lagers and Bacon-Mushroom Burger for $14.99. 20% off all
other regular priced food items.

Members will be able to pick up their packages (and membership cards) on site at Oscars before the match from 11:30-2:30. We will also be signing up new members on location.

Rally to the match route:

We will be cutting this match short and using the South Gate.

piltdownman · Post edited by piltdownman at 2011-04-18 12:30:03

Doolin's Post Match Bus

Doolin's has a charter bus booked to take passengers from Empire Field directly to Doolin’s Irish Pub after the Whitecaps game. For $15 you will receive your shuttle ride and a pint at Doolin’s after!!

The bus will be picking up on Hasting Street facing westbound at around 6pm.

piltdownman · Post edited by piltdownman at 2011-04-18 12:30:20

The Southislanders will be watching at:

The Beagle Pub in the Cook St Village in Victoria.

301 Cook Street Victoria, BC V8V 3X3
(250) 382-3301

The OK Insiders are watching the game at:
Friends Neighbourhood Pub
2210 Boucherie Rd, Kelowna, BC V1Z 2E5,

250-769-4757

and

Fox N' Hounds Pub
#20 - 945 Columbia Street West, Kamloops, BC

250-374-9425

piltdownman

reserved

eunited

It kills me that I'm going to miss this game.

Shahryar

eunited said:
It kills me that I'm going to miss this game.

Same

The_Real_Deal

It will be my first game since the opener (cue the part-timer name calling) so hopefully we will be able to recreate the same result

Bad_Gones

Tractor_Boy said:
It will be my first game since the opener (cue the part-timer name calling) so hopefully we will be able to recreate the same result

So that's what happened. Chris took away his mojo from Empire!

masster

A win would really go a long way to help bring back some of the lost momentum.

PBandG

Just wondering how long Tifo set-up usually takes.

Just finalizing my plans for Saturday but wondering if people would be interested in playing a little pick-up at Sir John Franklin Elementary before heading to Oscars. My lil bro is underage so we were thinking of buying some stuff from the liquor store and hanging out at the park before it was time to head to the march to the stadium. Any takers?

Canuckred

I think I'm going to try and catch a few of the races over at Hastings Park before the match. First post is at 1:20

Does anyone know if there have been cheap seats available at the box office before the matches? I have a couple friends looking for tickets, and don't like being gouged by Ticketbastard®.

moosemaniac

Canuckred said:
I think I'm going to try and catch a few of the races over at Hastings Park before the match. First post is at 1:20

Does anyone know if there have been cheap seats available at the box office before the matches? I have a couple friends looking for tickets, and don't like being gouged by Ticketbastard®.

check out the ticket exchange thread

capsfan88

Canuckred said:
I think I'm going to try and catch a few of the races over at Hastings Park before the match. First post is at 1:20

Does anyone know if there have been cheap seats available at the box office before the matches? I have a couple friends looking for tickets, and don't like being gouged by Ticketbastard®.

Also, there are scalpers at the corner of Hastings and...whatever that street is by the McDonald's. Apparently they sell under cost. At one game they were selling at $10/ticket.

drewc

Canuckred said:
I think I'm going to try and catch a few of the races over at Hastings Park before the match. First post is at 1:20

Does anyone know if there have been cheap seats available at the box office before the matches? I have a couple friends looking for tickets, and don't like being gouged by Ticketbastard®.

Come to Oscar's at some point, there's usually tickets going at face value or below.

LWO4LIFE

Flock of Seagulls groupie or Dallas FC player?

So many political incorrect things I would love to chant at Brek Shea...

Blue_and_White_Army

"Who let the sunscreen out?

Lather... lather, lather..."

AJAX79

LOL!!! :-))
I should've worn shorts!

GoF

Only one change for Caps. Dunfield in for Harmse in centre mid.

Lord_Bob

If anybody finds a web stream for those of us stuck at the office, I'd appreciate folks sharing it!

CapsownMLS · Post edited by CapsownMLS at 2011-04-23 18:08:42

Well a loss at home hurts, and a comeback loss is worse. These points we're losing are important and I hope we wake up as soon as possible. The more desperate team won today.

krisaug5

That was a hard second half to watch. No connection on the passes, refereeing didnt help and it just didnt look like good soccer. Props to Rochat and Leathers for the MAD hustle and I hope Brovski's ok. He didnt look good after that tackle. Could be nasty...

valleywhitecaps · Post edited by valleywhitecaps at 2011-04-23 19:21:22

krisaug5 said:
That was a hard second half to watch. No connection on the passes, refereeing didnt help and it just didnt look like good soccer. Props to Rochat and Leathers for the MAD hustle and I hope Brovski's ok. He didnt look good after that tackle. Could be nasty...

I'm fast becoming convinced that Rochat is our best player. He is composed, classy, confident, and he doesn't put a foot wrong. Excellent today. I can't wait to have him back on the left.

krisaug5

^ Absolutely. there's a reason he's been man of the match twice now! (if i remember correctly) He's done no wrong in my eyes... Need DeMerit healthy so Rochat can get some nice through balls to Khalfan, Teibert, whoever is playing that wing!

JRunn14

Rochat is a beauty...love watching him with the ball...so smooth. I felt like I watched FCD players dive and roll all over the pith for half the match. The ref was very inconsistent and I've yet to figure out why Hassli got booked.

Love that TT tore Toledo a new ass on the sideline after the Hassli yellow. It's a long season but we really need to start getting points at home.

Steve

Here are a handful of photos I took today.

https://picasaweb.google.com/steve.kavanagh/WhitecapsVsDallas

Blue_and_White_Army

Steve said:
Here are a handful of photos I took today.

https://picasaweb.google.com/steve.kavanagh/WhitecapsVsDallas

"Oops... there's nothing to see here. Either you do not have access to these photos, or they don't exist at this web address. Please contact the owner directly to gain access."

RobotRock

The MLS highlights don't include the Hassli yellow. Was it that bad?

And it means he's suspended of the next league game.

CEndersby

RobotRock said:
The MLS highlights don't include the Hassli yellow. Was it that bad?

And it means he's suspended of the next league game.

super week he beats his man and it was a 50-50 battle and the ref calls it and on the play it looks like a back pass from dallas to the keeper who picks it up. not as bad as the foul called on hassli when he did nothing and George john trips on the turf.

blazeofglory

officiating was atrocious today. hassli gets no love at all from the refs, its like todd bertuzzi all over again.

Steve

Okay, now it should be public.

https://picasaweb.google.com/steve.kavanagh/WhitecapsVsDallas

valleywhitecaps

CEndersby said:

RobotRock said:
The MLS highlights don't include the Hassli yellow. Was it that bad?

And it means he's suspended of the next league game.

super week he beats his man and it was a 50-50 battle and the ref calls it and on the play it looks like a back pass from dallas to the keeper who picks it up. not as bad as the foul called on hassli when he did nothing and George john trips on the turf.

I watched the game on PVR this morning. The card was a joke. Absolutely nothing in it ... I mean nothing at all.

DavidCross

It's time for Nolly to sit. Stuck on his line way too often and in the wrong position on the second goal.

krisaug5

I'm amazed Cannon hasnt gotten any more starts than the Philly game. Perhaps we play him against Montreal?

Grandstander

That second goal looked in slow motion, but even the best have a hard time stopping those. he was moving to his right and you're told to shoot back across the keeper. Fast or slow, that ball was going in. Our group is not implementing Teitur's system. The transition isn't quick enough, and when it is quick, it's rushed. Balls over the top to no one, or asking a lot of the forward to chase down.

Yesterday I could share wes Knights frustration on the right. Three or four times he was making good runs, only to see Leathers or Camillo pass it inside trying to go to Hassli themselves instead of sending Knight down the wing and joining the attack in the box themselves.

Dallas was weak, and beatable. Our midfield, whether it's Dunfield or Brovsky need to step up a bit and get closer to the edge of the 18. They both hang back so much, that when a bad bounce, or goalie clearance gets out to 18 there's no one running on to it (Scholes-like in his prime).

Other than that, I don't know what else to say. I didn't think the effort was bad.

Rico

Teitur should have gone to Salgado, much sooner. Camilo was a non factor.

Whitecats

That was truly unbearable..If we can't even snatch 3 points from Dallas in our our stadium..I fear it's the beginning of total collapse....since we're shite on the road.

Chris

Whitecats said:
That was truly unbearable..If we can't even snatch 3 points from Dallas in our our stadium..I fear it's the beginning of total collapse....since we're shite on the road.

Not being able to snatch 3 points from last year's MLS Cup runners-up is the sign of total collapse? Give me Koffie and Teibert back in the lineup, along with either Akloul, Janicki or Demerit so that Rochat can stop playing out of position. If we're still dropping points then, that'll be the sign of impending total collapse.

SoccerSue

Steve said:
Okay, now it should be public.

https://picasaweb.google.com/steve.kavanagh/WhitecapsVsDallas

Nice! Love the fireworks one. :-) Thanks for sharing!

(You might want to post them in this thread too: http://forum.vancouversouthsiders.ca/index.php?p=/discussion/506/matchday-photos-thread-add-your-own/#Item_5 )

Blue_and_White_Army

Rico said:
Teitur should have gone to Salgado, much sooner. Camilo was a non factor.

The abundance of long-balls to a short striker was idiotic. The service he received was poor.

Seathanaich

The card on Hassli was a 'reputation' card, not one that was earned. Hassli's playing well - he just needs officials to judge him on what he does on the day, not what he did in Philadelphia. He's holding up the ball well. Camilo and Chiumiento both need to focus more on playing and less on acting. Is it just me or does Chiumiento "give up" on the hour mark if the Caps haven't scored yet? Wes Knight played a pretty good game, and this Dallas team were certainly beatable, as someone said. Nice game from both Rochat and Boxall. Too many long balls from the middle of the field at the end of the game.

I have to say that other than the phantom card on Hassli, I thought this referee did a good job.

valleywhitecaps

seathanaich said:
The card on Hassli was a 'reputation' card, not one that was earned. Hassli's playing well - he just needs officials to judge him on what he does on the day, not what he did in Philadelphia. He's holding up the ball well. Camilo and Chiumiento both need to focus more on playing and less on acting. Is it just me or does Chiumiento "give up" on the hour mark if the Caps haven't scored yet? Wes Knight played a pretty good game, and this Dallas team were certainly beatable, as someone said. Nice game from both Rochat and Boxall. Too many long balls from the middle of the field at the end of the game.

I have to say that other than the phantom card on Hassli, I thought this referee did a good job.

Chiumiento is one of those guys who drifts in and out of games fairly easily. He produces flashes of brilliance, but in between times he gives the ball away a lot. I think he needs a bit of time to get used to the league, and his teammates, and I think TT needs a bit of time to figure out how to use him most effectively. A couple of his dives yesterday were cringeworthy.

Rico

Blue_and_White_Army said:

Rico said:
Teitur should have gone to Salgado, much sooner. Camilo was a non factor.

The abundance of long-balls to a short striker was idiotic. The service he received was poor.

I agree. But TT should have recognized and changed one issue or the other.

Rico

valleywhitecaps said:
Chiumiento is one of those guys who drifts in and out of games fairly easily. He produces flashes of brilliance, but in between times he gives the ball away a lot. I think he needs a bit of time to get used to the league, and his teammates, and I think TT needs a bit of time to figure out how to use him most effectively. A couple of his dives yesterday were cringeworthy.

The guy is obviously not a wing player, doesn't have the pace. So why play him there? Needs to play behind the forwards in the middle , that's where the Caps have a huge gap between the central mid and the forwards.
Have you seen many balls being played in that area, (not including the high ones being pumped up there in hopes that Hassli can haul down)?

Change formations TT.

Grandstander

Rico said:

valleywhitecaps said:
Chiumiento is one of those guys who drifts in and out of games fairly easily. He produces flashes of brilliance, but in between times he gives the ball away a lot. I think he needs a bit of time to get used to the league, and his teammates, and I think TT needs a bit of time to figure out how to use him most effectively. A couple of his dives yesterday were cringeworthy.

The guy is obviously not a wing player, doesn't have the pace. So why play him there? Needs to play behind the forwards in the middle , that's where the Caps have a huge gap between the central mid and the forwards.
Have you seen many balls being played in that area, (not including the high ones being pumped up there in hopes that Hassli can haul down)?

Change formations TT.

This one area where TT may be getting stubborn sticking to that 4-4-2.

valleywhitecaps · Post edited by valleywhitecaps at 2011-04-24 23:02:30

I agree with Grandstander. We are better suited for 4-3-3 or a 4-3-1-2 formation. Get Salgado up front with Hassli and Camilo, pull Chumiento into the attacking midfielder role with Dunfield, Tiebert, and Brovsky behind him, and then Rochat, Boxall, Leather, and De-Merit (when he's fit) at the back.

Weisskap

you guys are absolutely right; it's glaringly obvious that Chiumiento is an attacking midfielder, and not a winger! Did I miss something? Did he not perform well in that position last season or something?
With him working 'the slot' we can link up better ground plays to the strikers - Camilo would especially benefit from this.

With 6 points in 7 games, we are now the worst team in the league. If this keeps up TT will have to take the blame.

Krammerhead

Weisskap said:
you guys are absolutely right; it's glaringly obvious that Chiumiento is an attacking midfielder, and not a winger! Did I miss something? Did he not perform well in that position last season or something?
With him working 'the slot' we can link up better ground plays to the strikers - Camilo would especially benefit from this.

With 6 points in 7 games, we are now the worst team in the league. If this keeps up TT will have to take the blame.

Oh, don't diss Teitur. Apparently to some here he is untouchable!

Bad_Gones

There is a HUGE difference between 1) saying Teitur has to change his tactics, and 2) saying he's in over his head in this league.

Of course Teitur is not untouchable, and I assume you made that remark (partly) because of our discussion on Facebook. But the comment you quote above says "If this keeps up", and I'd agree with that. Saying it after 7 games is a knee-jerk reaction I'd expect from Canucks fans, and not from an informed soccer fan.

Grandstander

I don't think it's unfair. We saw last season in his limited minutes that Davide doesn't have the pace to be on the outside. Right now he's new to the league and he's tricky. Defenders even seeing him on film will get burned by his step overs etc., but he'll get found out. This is three or for games now Teitur puts him out wide. Despite the injuries, he has the players required for a 4-3-1-2, 4-4-1-1, 4-2-3-1 with Davide as the attacking midfielder in the center with the freedom to roam left or right wherever the play is going. Right now injuries or not, TT is sticking to the 4-4-2 as if they only train in one formation.

Weisskap

Not jumping to conclusions on Teitur by any means, yet, but "if this keeps up" means the next three or four games, not the next dozen.

7 games is barely a tenth of a Canucks season, and it would be ridiculous to make any judgments based on that. But we are already nearly a quarter through the Whitecaps season.
Even with our injuries, I think we have the right players to get results, and wins at home.

Speaking of the Canucks... I still have hope for them too.

Bad_Gones said:
There is a HUGE difference between 1) saying Teitur has to change his tactics, and 2) saying he's in over his head in this league.

Of course Teitur is not untouchable, and I assume you made that remark (partly) because of our discussion on Facebook. But the comment you quote above says "If this keeps up", and I'd agree with that. Saying it after 7 games is a knee-jerk reaction I'd expect from Canucks fans, and not from an informed soccer fan.

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