Kenny Miller
  • Jay_DukeJay_Duke
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    Miller, as were most Caps on Wednesday, was very, very poor.

    Saying he's bad signing or that he sucks at this point is moronic.

  • bilibili
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    valleywhitecaps said:

    bili said: I'm sorry... Miller sucks.

    I'd love to hear your rationale for that statement after the guy has had exactly one start.

    I can only go by what my eyes have seen.

  • valleywhitecapsvalleywhitecaps
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    bili said:

    valleywhitecaps said:

    bili said: I'm sorry... Miller sucks.

    I'd love to hear your rationale for that statement after the guy has had exactly one start.

    I can only go by what my eyes have seen.

    And what exactly have your eyes seen? Mine haven't seen much either way so I'm finding it tough to judge him one way or another.

  • bilibili
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    My first impression of him was his touch let him down when he was in 1 v 1 against the goalie... I think this was his first appearance for the Caps.

    Last night he had a half chance that he completely mis-read and the ball skipped away from him into the keepers hands.

    He is either out of sync or sucks... Out of sync implies he was once good... he has never been good for the Caps...so until I see otherwise, he sucks.

    Trust me.. I'd love to wrong.

  • SRFCSRFC
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    How come the Whitecaps site says he has scored 1 goal, he hasn't scored yet has he? How many minutes has he played roughly for yas??

    I'm with bili on this I said he was shite when yas were signing him, he is a really really awful player and nowhere near good enough to be a DP

  • SAFC_YankSAFC_Yank
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    Still willing to be patient, but I am starting to wonder what sets him apart enough that he's worth over $ 1 million a year. I just don't see any particular quality that wows me. Works hard, sure, but his movement in possession hasn't been anything special, and he hasn't found any real touch yet.

    As far as him playing with Mattocks, didn't Mattocks play wide a fair amount in pre-season? I'm thinking back to the Orlando tournament and it seems like LeToux was on top with Mattocks wide left, and that Darren didn't have any problems playing there.

  • prawnsideFCprawnsideFC
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    bili said: I'm sorry... Miller sucks.

    people were saying that about Robson when he came in...

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  • LittleBirdLittleBird
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    Brenton said:

    cixceven said:

    At what point do we stop saying "the other player around him weren't good enough, so how can we expect him to be good?" and start saying "he should earn his DP spot." Why commit so many of our resources to him if it is up to other players to make him good? There's no such thing as a one man team, but, by pay (or cap hit, for those looking at it that way) he should be our best player. Was he?

    That's a pretty simplistic assessment. He's a striker that works with what is given to him. Tonight I didn't see one pass that did anything to use his strengths. He constantly had to come towards the midfielders to get any look at the ball. And then he always had a Dallas defender right behind him, giving him no room to do anything but pass right back.

    Good thing we have another available striker who can create for himself and create chances for other people as well. The Whitecaps had several corners and dangerous free kicks that Miller could have got on the end of, not to mention his farcial attempt to control that bouncing ball in the second half that would have given him a great chance on goal. Once again, it is too early to judge how Miller is going to work out, but there is not a single reason to think he would be a better choice over Mattocks for the run in.

  • LittleBirdLittleBird
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    prawnsideFC said:

    bili said: I'm sorry... Miller sucks.

    people were saying that about Robson when he came in...

    I would say the jury is still out on Robson as well. The team's record hasn't been particularly good since he came in. He has had some obvious games where he was very good, he's also had a lot of anonymous ones as well.

  • iBleedWhiteAndBlueiBleedWhiteAndBlue
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    Calling a player terrible after only playing a total of 130 minutes? How can you give up on someone who has only logged a game and a half in the MLS? That's like giving up on work after being on the job 1 day. The man hasn't even been able to prove what he can do, and like everyone else was saying he got little service last night and the game was just bad overall. Wait till he gets a couple of games with the first team as a starter and find out if he's shite.

  • cixcevencixceven
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    iBleedWhiteAndBlue said: Calling a player terrible after only playing a total of 130 minutes? How can you give up on someone who has only logged a game and a half in the MLS? That's like giving up on work after being on the job 1 day. The man hasn't even been able to prove what he can do, and like everyone else was saying he got little service last night and the game was just bad overall. Wait till he gets a couple of games with the first team as a starter and find out if he's shite.

    There is a difference between "he was crap last night, and has yet to show any quality" and "he will always be crap, will never show any quality, and we should give up on him." I'm yet to see posts like the latter.

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  • iBleedWhiteAndBlueiBleedWhiteAndBlue
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    cixceven said:

    iBleedWhiteAndBlue said: Calling a player terrible after only playing a total of 130 minutes? How can you give up on someone who has only logged a game and a half in the MLS? That's like giving up on work after being on the job 1 day. The man hasn't even been able to prove what he can do, and like everyone else was saying he got little service last night and the game was just bad overall. Wait till he gets a couple of games with the first team as a starter and find out if he's shite.

    There is a difference between "he was crap last night, and has yet to show any quality" and "he will always be crap, will never show any quality, and we should give up on him." I'm yet to see posts like the latter.

    From reading what bili says he's already in the latter boat even with Miller's limited work, which, to be honest, is unfair to the man. The Caps signed him for a reason, and I'm part of the majority who hope to see him find his form if he gets more minutes as a starter.

  • cixcevencixceven
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    iBleedWhiteAndBlue said: From reading what bili says he's already in the latter boat even with Miller's limited work, which, to be honest, is unfair to the man. The Caps signed him for a reason, and I'm part of the majority who hope to see him find his form if he gets more minutes as a starter.

    But he clarified by saying:

    bili said: He is either out of sync or sucks... Out of sync implies he was once good... he has never been good for the Caps...so until I see otherwise, he sucks.

    Trust me.. I'd love to wrong.

    It's perfectly fair to say he sucks now, so long as you're willing to change your mind when shown other evidence.

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  • barca99barca99
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    iBleedWhiteAndBlue said: The Caps signed him for a reason, and I'm part of the majority who hope to see him find his form if he gets more minutes as a starter.

    This is the question though. I do not think that he has done nearly enough to replace Mattocks as a starter, maybe with Mattocks but not sure how that would work. So we should just start him because he's Kenny Miller?

  • iBleedWhiteAndBlueiBleedWhiteAndBlue
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    barca99 said:

    iBleedWhiteAndBlue said: The Caps signed him for a reason, and I'm part of the majority who hope to see him find his form if he gets more minutes as a starter.

    This is the question though. I do not think that he has done nearly enough to replace Mattocks as a starter, maybe with Mattocks but not sure how that would work. So we should just start him because he's Kenny Miller?

    I'd like to see Miller get good minutes with the first team, but it's a matter if Rennie wants to mess around with the attacking chemistry we have.

    cixceven said:

    iBleedWhiteAndBlue said: From reading what bili says he's already in the latter boat even with Miller's limited work, which, to be honest, is unfair to the man. The Caps signed him for a reason, and I'm part of the majority who hope to see him find his form if he gets more minutes as a starter.

    But he clarified by saying:

    bili said: He is either out of sync or sucks... Out of sync implies he was once good... he has never been good for the Caps...so until I see otherwise, he sucks.

    Trust me.. I'd love to wrong.

    It's perfectly fair to say he sucks now, so long as you're willing to change your mind when shown other evidence.

    I understand this, but to really pass judgment and say they suck on someone's first start? If he was blatantly terrible, then I'd get the fact that Miller sucks. It was an overall shite performance last night from everyone. But even though Miller's really good days were in the past, it's safe to say he is a proven striker (when he turns it on..if he doesn't then I'm worried.) who still needs to feel out MLS like Robson has.

  • OldFanOldFan
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    prawnsideFC said:

    bili said: I'm sorry... Miller sucks.

    people were saying that about Robson when he came in...

    Some even called Robson "scottish jarju" in his first 3 to 4 games. Robson has turned out to be as good as we hoped.

    I hope Miller doesn't head down the Jarju road; but we need 3 - 4 more games to decide. If he comes back to the next home game with nothing to show for it then I think it is fair to question the signing. Too early right now, and the team last night was dreadful all around. I don't think any DP would have scored for Vancouver last night.

  • bilibili
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    My question is this...

    Is Miller going to create goals or is he a poacher? It's a lot of money and a valuable DP spot for a poacher.

    He has shown very little ability to create IMO.

    The guy hasn't exactly been in form at his previous club.

    Did we replace Hassli with a Scottish Hassli?

  • fourfourtwofourfourtwo
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    Bili does raise a good point. When it does come time to judge Miller which TBH will likely be this off season. What are we looking for from him/ What is his roll?

  • Lord_BobLord_Bob
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    OldFan said: Some even called Robson "scottish jarju" in his first 3 to 4 games. Robson has turned out to be as good as we hoped.

    Did even one person use that phrase as anything other than satire?

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  • SeathanaichSeathanaich
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    Miller hasn't shown much yet, and certainly needs to soon, but I'm not going to judge him on this game. With Harris on the field playing that poorly, it was essentially 10 vs 11 out there. When you're short handed the centre forward usually gets zero service and has to drop back and defend: everyone has to cover for the missing person. I'll wait until I see him start beside someone who actually contributes before evaluating him at normal fitness in a normal game.

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  • slamoslamo
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    Robson talked about the turf and the spin of the ball in the post game - specifically to do with Miller. It really is a pretty huge difference. A couple of balls that Miller missed were long balls that probably didn't react the way he would be used to. Don't think it's really an issue yet.

    Post edited by slamo at 2012-08-16 11:53:09
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  • bilibili
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    slamo said: Robson talked about the turf and the spin of the ball. It really is a pretty huge difference. A couple of balls that Miller missed were long balls that probably didn't react the way he would be used to. Don't think it's really an issue yet.

    Last night there was one ball where I think that was the case....

    But a professional who possibly trained on turf should be able to read the spin sooner rather than later.

  • OldFanOldFan
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    Lord_Bob said:

    OldFan said: Some even called Robson "scottish jarju" in his first 3 to 4 games. Robson has turned out to be as good as we hoped.

    Did even one person use that phrase as anything other than satire?

    I am aware most of it was satire:) But it was still an indicator that people were a bit concerned.

  • toffeemantoffeeman
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    Maybe we should get all our DP's from S America then we can watch diving and cheating all day? :-))

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  • LittleBirdLittleBird
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    OldFan said:

    prawnsideFC said:

    bili said: I'm sorry... Miller sucks.

    people were saying that about Robson when he came in...

    Some even called Robson "scottish jarju" in his first 3 to 4 games. Robson has turned out to be as good as we hoped.

    Has he? I have no problem with how he's been playing, but he, through no fault of his own, also has to live up to the DP tag, and to how Chiumiento was playing this season. The jury is still very much out on the last two items and the team really hasn't been that successful since the transfers went through.

  • tranent13tranent13
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    People need to remember that Miller is the only one up the field and comparing him to Camilo is an insult to Miller. Camilo gets the ball and will run 20 yards and lose it, then he'll get one past and MAYBE set something up. Camilo cannot read plays or track back and defend. I think seeing Dane Richards play has exposed Camilo. Last night Miller was yelling at Camilo to cover players and do his job. What this team needs is a 4-4-2 formation with Miller and Mattocks up top. Imagine Mattocks speed with Millers timing it could be deadly. In my mind the Caps could use a proper LM, a Will Johnson type player. As for Miller people need to cool off, he is playing on a new park which all new players struggle with and to say he has the same service as others is wrong. Booting a ball up the field for 1 v 1 header for Miller will not work what Miller excels at is a pass to an open space and give and goes, we saw nothing like that last night. Robson is great at this but if he gets marked out of a game we lose it, Koffie does it sometimes but not enough to make an impact. (Rant over)

  • BianconeroSouthsiderBianconeroSouthsider
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    tranent13 said: He ran his ass off tonight, the problem was Atiba Harris playing terrible forcing Miller to Cover him and make up for his mistakes. Also he got 0 service during the game which needs to change.

    The swapping of positions in the first half didn't help either. Miller, Camilo and Harris would switch roles and it would make things worse. I told my dad before the game that I wouldn't be surprised if Miller and Robson saw Harris and would say in their thick, sexy Scottish accents "What is this s*it? Why is he here?"

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  • blazeofgloryblazeofglory
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    I thought Miller was very sharp last night in his build up play, passing, movement, etc. He's a step off in front of net though, and still does not seem used to the bounces off the turf.

    I love his first touch in traffic and his little runs off of defenders.

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  • danimaldanimal
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    Not sure if it was just due to heat and mugginess at field level or if Kenny still isn't where he wants to be fitness wise, but every whistle he was hitting the water bottle and changed his shirt about 4 times.

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  • TWFTWF
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    If we need a positive, which it sounds like we might, his touch in traffic was good which is positive for a guy who will be playing in the box. Pretty quick to call the guy shit. I know we're making a lot out of the term 'service' but if you have camilo on one side, who is relatively selfish, and Anita Harris on the other I'm thinking most guys up front would be left looking less than useful. Also, the chemistry required to link Sharp passes on to good, intelligent runs takes a while to develop. Just remember that the style of play that suits Mattocks is 'long ball' which is not a sophisticated brand of soccer (although maybe more suited to a newly revamped squad). imo.

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    TWF said: Anita Harris

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  • Patrick_BatemanPatrick_Bateman
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    Very rarely in football do players move clubs and settle immediately. You can decrease this likelihood if it involves changing leagues. Decrease it further-still if it involves changing countries/continents.

    I have seen enough of Miller over the years to know that once fit/settled we will have a very dependable player on our books. While his goal-scoring record has been patchy at times his work rate and team play are huge strengths that will not only bebefit the team this season but will really help the development of Salgado/Mattocks etc.

    Unfortunately, not everything in sport comes quickly. While Vancouver is an amazing sport market it suffers due to lack of success of it's major team (Canucks...not quite caps ...yet ; ), this creates a huge anxiety and forces people into knee-jerk opinions.

  • saltybugRsaltybugR
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    SAFC_Yank said: Still willing to be patient, but I am starting to wonder what sets him apart enough that he's worth over $ 1 million a year. I just don't see any particular quality that wows me. Works hard, sure, but his movement in possession hasn't been anything special, and he hasn't found any real touch yet.

    As far as him playing with Mattocks, didn't Mattocks play wide a fair amount in pre-season? I'm thinking back to the Orlando tournament and it seems like LeToux was on top with Mattocks wide left, and that Darren didn't have any problems playing there.

    after watching miller in his first start, i was amazed at how little drive and skill he had; while he may be in preseason form, as he would put it, i expected to see some special touches, instinctive running off the ball and a drive for open spaces inside the box-- saw none of that!! so i agree with you-- what sets him so apart that he gets a huge salary??

    but i disagree that he worked hard-- he had a lot of lazy moments in the game and that is not something i appreciate in any player at the professional level-- when robson came, i saw special qualities that makes him a great signing... but miller could turn into a big flop with his attitude on the field-- the skill-level of MLS may have taken him by surprise, but if he is as good as he is supposed to be, then he should be able to adapt quickly

    looks like to me that rennie and his coaching staff will have to do another long set of talks with miller, aka hassli... but will it be more successful???

  • OldFanOldFan
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    saltybugR said:

    SAFC_Yank said: Still willing to be patient, but I am starting to wonder what sets him apart enough that he's worth over $ 1 million a year. I just don't see any particular quality that wows me. Works hard, sure, but his movement in possession hasn't been anything special, and he hasn't found any real touch yet.

    As far as him playing with Mattocks, didn't Mattocks play wide a fair amount in pre-season? I'm thinking back to the Orlando tournament and it seems like LeToux was on top with Mattocks wide left, and that Darren didn't have any problems playing there.

    after watching miller in his first start, i was amazed at how little drive and skill he had; while he may be in preseason form, as he would put it, i expected to see some special touches, instinctive running off the ball and a drive for open spaces inside the box-- saw none of that!! so i agree with you-- what sets him so apart that he gets a huge salary??

    but i disagree that he worked hard-- he had a lot of lazy moments in the game and that is not something i appreciate in any player at the professional level-- when robson came, i saw special qualities that makes him a great signing... but miller could turn into a big flop with his attitude on the field-- the skill-level of MLS may have taken him by surprise, but if he is as good as he is supposed to be, then he should be able to adapt quickly

    looks like to me that rennie and his coaching staff will have to do another long set of talks with miller, aka hassli... but will it be more successful???

    Having watched Miller for two full games now, I have a big concern about his work rate and tenacity. He lightly jogs or walks until the ball comes to him. He does not work hard to find space himself and give his team a place to send the ball. I also see him not running hard to get back to help when there is a counter attack against us. And, when the ball is passed out to someone ahead of him (say Mattocks for example), he doesn't run hard to get into position to do something with the other attacking player. He just lightly jogs and watches the other player try to get to the net.

    He has nice touches with the ball, and certainly has talent, but his effort to move around and get into the play is sadly lacking. This concerns me on a long term basis as it may not be something he will change at this stage of his career.

  • LawmanLawman
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    He is no improvement over Hassli, does not have a charismatic personality. Also at least Hassli learned english so we could understand what he has saying. In all seriousness, he seems like a good bloke and I hope he can contribute.

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  • NolbertoSNolbertoS
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    I'm in a the Getting Rid of Kenny Miller bandwagon soon too. All you guys saying give him time. He's a damn professional. In one game, you can determine if he's any good or not. Hassli in his first game, played decent and later showed why he's worth the big money scoring goals. This season well, was a different story. Miller on the other hand, hasn't shown anything to me, that well he's a quality striker that got bad breaks. More like he's an average player, getting paid too much IMHO. Same with Robson too.

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    This is going to end up like Braveheart.

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  • SeathanaichSeathanaich
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    I watched the Toronto game against Portland the other day.

    Hassli walked around some, he half-heartedly shut people down defensively sometimes, he jogged around, he got no free-kicks despite being badly abused by the defenders on the other team, he muttered and threw his arms in the air.

    He also scored one and used a diving header to set up the second. On his goal, he anticipated the opportunity, and what looked like an easy tap-in only happened because he knew when to anticipate and sprint. He ran over and hugged his coach, who he has nothing but good things to say about. He was a positive team-mate on the field.

    I'm just sayin'.

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  • BrentonBrenton
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    Funny, because the friends I was with were impressed with his running and movement.

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  • limmeisterlimmeister
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    Caps lost again today. man, they are either in a slump (bad timing to do that), or the team is beginning to fall apart. Rennie and the team need to get things back together. If they continue to lose their games like this, they're obviously not making the playoffs.

  • SeathanaichSeathanaich
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    Brenton said: Funny, because the friends I was with were impressed with his running and movement.

    I thought he did well at that too. I was poking a bit of fun at those who think that strikers can somehow sprint for 90 minutes, and remembering the things that people criticised about Hassli. It's easy to forgive when a player is scoring, not so much when he isn't. If Miller bangs in a hat-trick vs Portland he'll get cut enough slack to not run much without the ball (not that I'm saying he does - I've seen him sprint several times to shut down opponents).

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  • bahbah
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    Brenton said: Funny, because the friends I was with were impressed with his running and movement.

    He looked a lot better today. He's obviously match-fit now, which makes sense considering if he had stayed back in England, he'd have played his first league match of the year this week(end). Next step is to continue to gel with his teammates...which is huge IMO. He hasn't had the Koffie/Robson duo sending the ball his way yet. Until he gets a couple of games with that, we can't really judge how he's going to be.

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  • LeftyLefty
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    Patrick_Bateman said: Very rarely in football do players move clubs and settle immediately. You can decrease this likelihood if it involves changing leagues. Decrease it further-still if it involves changing countries/continents.

    I have seen enough of Miller over the years to know that once fit/settled we will have a very dependable player on our books. While his goal-scoring record has been patchy at times his work rate and team play are huge strengths that will not only bebefit the team this season but will really help the development of Salgado/Mattocks etc.

    Unfortunately, not everything in sport comes quickly. While Vancouver is an amazing sport market it suffers due to lack of success of it's major team (Canucks...not quite caps ...yet ; ), this creates a huge anxiety and forces people into knee-jerk opinions.

    All I can add to this is: Bump!

  • vancouversoccermanvancouversoccerman
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    As a Whitecaps fan and season-ticket holder, I would like to see Scotland`s top striker, Kenny Miller, score a goal for us. It would help if it came in a big game. Do we have any other big games available to us this season?

    (sarcasm off.)

    Post edited by vancouversoccerman at 2012-08-18 18:54:46
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    Who cares about a big game; any goal in any game would be nice.

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  • valleywhitecapsvalleywhitecaps
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    Every game is big from here on in.

  • SAFC_YankSAFC_Yank
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    Seathanaich said: I watched the Toronto game against Portland the other day.

    Hassli walked around some, he half-heartedly shut people down defensively sometimes, he jogged around, he got no free-kicks despite being badly abused by the defenders on the other team, he muttered and threw his arms in the air.

    He also scored one and used a diving header to set up the second. On his goal, he anticipated the opportunity, and what looked like an easy tap-in only happened because he knew when to anticipate and sprint. He ran over and hugged his coach, who he has nothing but good things to say about. He was a positive team-mate on the field.

    I'm just sayin'.

    I wish I could remember where I read it, maybe even on here, but somebody wrote after watching Hassli in that game that he would show, almost back-to-back, moments of incredible effort and moments of sloth.

    I thought Miller was better today. Excellent would overstate it, but he was better, and it was interesting that he was reasonably effective playing behind Mattocks in a deeper role.

  • valleywhitecapsvalleywhitecaps
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    SAFC_Yank said:

    Seathanaich said: I watched the Toronto game against Portland the other day.

    Hassli walked around some, he half-heartedly shut people down defensively sometimes, he jogged around, he got no free-kicks despite being badly abused by the defenders on the other team, he muttered and threw his arms in the air.

    He also scored one and used a diving header to set up the second. On his goal, he anticipated the opportunity, and what looked like an easy tap-in only happened because he knew when to anticipate and sprint. He ran over and hugged his coach, who he has nothing but good things to say about. He was a positive team-mate on the field.

    I'm just sayin'.

    I wish I could remember where I read it, maybe even on here, but somebody wrote after watching Hassli in that game that he would show, almost back-to-back, moments of incredible effort and moments of sloth.

    I thought Miller was better today. Excellent would overstate it, but he was better, and it was interesting that he was reasonably effective playing behind Mattocks in a deeper role.

    I watched the rest of the TFC game today after our match. Hassli was very sloth-like from what I saw. If you ever think we are bad, just watch TFC. Terrible!

  • slamoslamo
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    Yet in the last 10 games they have 12 points while we have 11. :-?

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  • valleywhitecapsvalleywhitecaps
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    slamo said: Yet in the last 10 games they have 12 points while we have 11. :-?

    Touche...

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