Long Tan

Bad_Gones

We'll miss you.

OldFan

So, the Province makes the projected 11 in the paper today.

There is no mention of Tan.

Now, is this just Weber guessing, or does he have confirmation that Tan will not start?

I don't get it. We have two great games with Tan starting; he was a big part of it. The fans love the guy. Why did he get put back on the bench after those two games?

Even for Tommy's lack of abilities, I still can not see the logic in not starting him tomorrow.

chauchi09

Weber has not been great a predicting the starting 11. Don't get yourself into a frenzy yet Old Man.

Bad_Gones

No. Wait until game time.

OldFan

scott09 said:
Weber has not been great a predicting the starting 11. Don't get yourself into a frenzy yet Old Man.

Yeah, I don't like or trust Weber. I suppose I should just wait and see.

Bad_Gones · Post edited by Bad_Gones at 2011-10-22 09:15:51

Who DO you like or trust?

And "OldFan" is not an acceptable answer. :-)

TheRenniesance

You know what's the best part about this thread? Reading the replies from June.

OldFan

TheRenniesance said:
You know what's the best part about this thread? Reading the replies from June.

Yes, a lot of the board members were dismissing Long Tan when I first made this thread. At least I feel vindicated and people have accepted Long!

Bad_Gones

I stand by my assessment of Tan at the time. The fact that he's improved since then doesn't change a thing.

OldFan

Bad_Gones said:
I stand by my assessment of Tan at the time. The fact that he's improved since then doesn't change a thing.

If you assess a player, and then he IMPROVES, how can your assessment stay the same?

Bad_Gones

OldFan said:

Bad_Gones said:
I stand by my assessment of Tan at the time. The fact that he's improved since then doesn't change a thing.

If you assess a player, and then he IMPROVES, how can your assessment stay the same?

I guess I could have been clearer.

AT THE TIME I thought Long Tan wasn't worth a starting position. While I believe today he warrants a spot on the bench (and the occaisional start), I still believe I was correct in my assessment at the time. So yes, my assessment has changed, but I still stand by what I thought earlier in the season.

OldFan

OMG

I saw that "Long Tan" thread started by that asshole, and it got locked. I thought it was THIS thread and I was nearly heartbroken!

piltdownman

According to this article Long Tan fans should be happy. Although $100k a year, really?

Chris

That translation's pretty sketchy. Probably meant $100K total over three years.

Steve

Wow, there must have been some serious calls coming in from around the league to warrant that kind of offer from the Whitecaps.

Lord_Bob

Jesus Christ that better not be true. Catastrophic if accurate. Fire Barber!

OldFan

Lord_Bob said:
Jesus Christ that better not be true. Catastrophic if accurate. Fire Barber!

How is 100k for Long Tan so horrible that you use such words. He is worth that salary and may even be a bargain at that price by the 2nd year of the deal.

It shows the club is committed to having him. I for one, am very pleased with this.

Bad_Gones

Wow. Red letter day for OldFan. First Barber, now this.

OldFan

Bad_Gones said:
Wow. Red letter day for OldFan. First Barber, now this.

I am going to have a party!

Bad_Gones

I'm busy. Sorry :-P

Lord_Bob

OldFan said:

Lord_Bob said:
Jesus Christ that better not be true. Catastrophic if accurate. Fire Barber!

How is 100k for Long Tan so horrible that you use such words. He is worth that salary and may even be a bargain at that price by the 2nd year of the deal.

It shows the club is committed to having him. I for one, am very pleased with this.

I think Long is worth keeping, but he has 437 career MLS minutes as well as a middling-to-good season in USSF D2. $100,000 is "proven, high-tier MLS starter" money. If Long keeps up 0.206 goals/90 minutes he posted in such limited time last year, fine. But will he? I wouldn't be prepared to bet that heavily on it.

OldFan · Post edited by OldFan at 2011-12-09 15:11:29

Lord_Bob said:

OldFan said:

Lord_Bob said:
Jesus Christ that better not be true. Catastrophic if accurate. Fire Barber!

How is 100k for Long Tan so horrible that you use such words. He is worth that salary and may even be a bargain at that price by the 2nd year of the deal.

It shows the club is committed to having him. I for one, am very pleased with this.

I think Long is worth keeping, but he has 437 career MLS minutes as well as a middling-to-good season in USSF D2. $100,000 is "proven, high-tier MLS starter" money. If Long keeps up 0.206 goals/90 minutes he posted in such limited time last year, fine. But will he? I wouldn't be prepared to bet that heavily on it.

I know what you are saying. But, there may be more to this than just giving him a raise. Perhaps they got some word from international clubs that offers in this range could be possible, so they locked him up. So, it may have taken this amount to get Long to commit and not have his eyes on transfer offers.

piltdownman

Last Year:

VAN Harris Atiba M-F $77,590.00 $80,590.00

VAN Hassli Eric F $660,000.00 $900,000.00

VAN Jarju Mustapha M $400,008.00 $426,883.00

VAN Salgado Omar F $80,000.00 $121,868.67

VAN Sanvezzo Camilo F $127,920.00 $133,545.00

VAN Tan Long F $32,600.04 $32,600.00

Is Tan worth 3x the pay? more than Harris?

My answer is no

Lord_Bob

Sadly, MLS is a salary cap league and Tan will count against our cap figure. The Whitecaps would have to be prepared to walk away if he demanded too much money. I love Russell Teibert but if he said he wanted to be a designated player, I'd have to admit it wouldn't be worth it.

Chris

Potential he may have, but if they're giving out 6 figure contracts to players who started a handful of games this year and scored, what, once? Twice? We're in serious trouble. I'm almost certain something got lost in (shitty google) translation.

Lord_Bob

I'd take Long at Khalfan money; $75,000. I don't think he's proven anything more than Nizar did, and Nizar was homegrown anyway.

TheRenniesance

100k for Long Tan? Wow. That MUST be wrong.

Brenton

I've asked a friend to translate the article. Hope to hear soon.

Canadianspur

This can't be true. We can't afford a $100K cap hit for Tan. No way he is worth more than $50K in the MLS. If there is huge interest in Tan, transfer him...take the money and run

Jay_Duke

I'd love to keep Tan, and would be willing to see him get a minor raise, but to give him $100k would make me question if MR is actually as sane as we thought - or worse, that Tommy Dreamer is still pulling the strings.

OldFan

Can't believe how quickly everyone is dumping on this. You can't expect to keep players from leaving if you want to pay them rock bottom all the time. You have to pay so they stay. Selling and transferring guys does not help the on field product

Jay_Duke

You can't expect to pay your bench players 100k a year in a salary cap league and be competative.

Canadianspur · Post edited by Canadianspur at 2011-12-09 20:17:20

In a salary cap system you cannot pay your 3rd or 4th choice forward a starters salary. you need to be able to have enough room under the cap to afford decent quality depth players. we curently have 7 or 8 open roster spots that need to be filled.

Bad_Gones

OldFan,

I sincerely hope you can differentiate between the fact that Long Tan deserves more playing time, and the idea that Long Tan is worth a $100K cap hit to the team. I don't believe anyone is dumping on the first assertion. But if you are saying that we need to keep Tan at any cost, and $100K is the cost, the I'll have to disagree with you completely.

Much confusion,

BA

Brenton

A friend who reads Chinese says it's $100k annual. I'm hoping the article is just wrong. Or it's a different currency.

Bad_Gones

That would be Yuan ... which would be just over $15K. Not likely

Canadianspur

If Tan is on $100K (and making some completely unsubstanitated assumptions about the contracts of Cannon, Thorington, Lee, Mitchel and Harris) we have btween $200K and $250K left under the cap. hard to imaging how we can add much quality depth with that.

OldFan

Bad_Gones said:
OldFan,

I sincerely hope you can differentiate between the fact that Long Tan deserves more playing time, and the idea that Long Tan is worth a $100K cap hit to the team. I don't believe anyone is dumping on the first assertion. But if you are saying that we need to keep Tan at any cost, and $100K is the cost, the I'll have to disagree with you completely.

Much confusion,

BA

You are assuming he is going to be a bench player.

Remember, it is very possible Camilo will not be happy with the raise offered by the club and wish for a transfer. They need Tan signed up in case this happens; don't you think?

Brenton

Bad_Gones said:
That would be Yuan ... which would be just over $15K. Not likely

Australian dollars, most likely. Australia is part of Asia, right?

valleywhitecaps

Canadianspur said:
If Tan is on $100K (and making some completely unsubstanitated assumptions about the contracts of Cannon, Thorington, Lee, Mitchel and Harris) we have btween $200K and $250K left under the cap. hard to imaging how we can add much quality depth with that.

I'm going to say that Long Tan will be worth $100k in the long run. For me he is the player on the team who has the most potential to grow and become an excellent asset for the Caps.

Driveforfiver

Long Tan provided a lot of energy and pace coming off the bench last year. He didn't overly impress me in his start against Colorado. $100,000 sounds like an awful lot of money.

OldFan

Driveforfiver said:
Long Tan provided a lot of energy and pace coming off the bench last year. He didn't overly impress me in his start against Colorado. $100,000 sounds like an awful lot of money.

I think we are also paying for potential.

So, if he comes off the bench, and starts when guys are injured, and gives us 8 goals next year... would you consider that value for 100,000? I think it is considering what guys are making in the MLS who can score 10 goals.

Canadianspur

valleywhitecaps said:

Canadianspur said:
If Tan is on $100K (and making some completely unsubstanitated assumptions about the contracts of Cannon, Thorington, Lee, Mitchel and Harris) we have btween $200K and $250K left under the cap. hard to imaging how we can add much quality depth with that.

I'm going to say that Long Tan will be worth $100k in the long run. For me he is the player on the team who has the most potential to grow and become an excellent asset for the Caps.

I beleive Salgado has far greater potential but likley wont remain. I don't see Tan as developing into a consistant starter. I hope I am wrong as I like him but overpaying now could hurt the team in the long run if we can't sign the depth we need to improve this year. Another shitty season and we start to look like TFC!

piltdownman

I predict if Tan is our #2 Striker next season it is going to be a long one.

Driveforfiver

piltdownman said:
I predict if Tan is our #2 Striker next season it is going to be a long one.

Hey-oh!

I'd rather see Salgado get the playing time. Still a young cat but has to show a little more this year.

OldFan

piltdownman said:
I predict if Tan is our #2 Striker next season it is going to be a long one.

I am surprised you are so quick to throw Tan down and dismiss him as some obscure backup. The man is a game changer; we have proof of that.

Brenton

We have a tiny bit of proof that he brings energy and potential goals as a sub. He has shown potential and that he COULD be our #2 striker, but he has not shown that he SHOULD be our #2 striker. Brett is spot on.

Canadianspur

Tan's game changing ability came as a late game sub...a role he is well suited for. He wasn't a game changer in his one start...Yes this is an incredibly small sample and perhaps Tan desrves the occaisional start when the others are injured/fatigued but he is not an everyday starter.

piltdownman

IMO he is a substitute with potential. If the Whitecaps are hoping to replace Camilo with him, thats crazy.

RaybanOriginal

piltdownman said:
Last Year:

VAN Harris Atiba M-F $77,590.00 $80,590.00
VAN Hassli Eric F $660,000.00 $900,000.00
VAN Jarju Mustapha M $400,008.00 $426,883.00
VAN Salgado Omar F $80,000.00 $121,868.67
VAN Sanvezzo Camilo F $127,920.00 $133,545.00
VAN Tan Long F $32,600.04 $32,600.00

Is Tan worth 3x the pay? more than Harris?

My answer is no

$32,600 x 3 year contract = $97,800

^Could be the simple answer. If only the MLS were a bit more transparent we'd know.

If it is 100k a year, sorry OldFan it's too much.

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