it's just you. the guy works hard and had a rough go with the 2 yellows. he's young and full of confidence at the moment.

As for Hassli and Camilo: It would appear that Rennie likes to play attacking combinations rather than just individuals in form. This might mean that when Mattocks or Davide slow down, we'll see Camilo and Hassli back in...although Hassli-Davide doesn't seem too bad either

On current form DC with anyone seems to be good. Dede is working his ass off game in and game out. Great to see. I call it the "Letoux effect".

I would hate to see either go. Right now we have a lot of attacking options and I don't see anything wrong with that. The fact that several of our forwards are playing wing effectively is a great thing and shows their versatility. Mattocks & Hassli are the 2 odd men out who seem to only play forward.

I think Team 1040 is on crack.

Yep, those guys figure in addition to Robson joining the team its imminent we will land another top notch defender.

The team has allocation money, an international spot once Boxall is dropped.

So if they can trade Hassli and Camillo this gives them loads of financial flexibly to land Bocanegra who is in Vancouver in less then two eeks to pick up a piece of DeMerit art. Like sands through the hourglass, so are the days of our lives

Hey Old Fan, I guys it's just me. He just rubs me the wrong way, he come across as cocky and a bit of a glory hound. But in saying that I have been completly wrong about players before and hope he is super for us for many years to come.

SAFC_Yank said: Put the idea in context ... the discussion started when Corazzin said he wouldn't start either of them Wednesday with Mattocks out. That led into a discussion of whether or not they were on the block. And while I really like Hassli, and give Camillo full credit for what he's done here, its a fair question. It would be hard to move a DP, but you might be able to move Camillo, and given that Dede and when healthy, Salgado, are in front of him, getting something for him might be a decent shout.

And Solkowski also said something to the effect of Barbara being Rennie's one big mistake since arriving.

Interesting. How can he say he's been a mistake? He hasn't done any good or bad yet, as far as I can tell, other than looking really dangerous for those 10 minutes against FC Edmonton. And by the way Lawman, it's Team 1410, not 1040. The guys on 1040 are probably still too busy talking about David Booth shooting a bear and the Canucks' 28th round draft pick to talk about the Whitecaps.

we will see Hassli or Camillo start next game I think, cause Mattocks will have his suspension.

Lawman said: Hey Old Fan, I guys it's just me. He just rubs me the wrong way, he come across as cocky and a bit of a glory hound. But in saying that I have been completly wrong about players before and hope he is super for us for many years to come.

I know what you are saying about cocky. But the guy is 21 and the last few years he has been surrounded by people praising him to no end. It's understandable when young highly touted players get cocky. It would bother me if he was 24 or 25 moreso than if he is 21 and a rookie.

Whether he is cocky or not, he is performing and will be a major player in the run to the playoffs.

As for your topic, while I would not shed a tear to see Eric traded, I think it would be a poor idea. We need that striker depth; and he still can bag a goal here and there in a crucial late game moment. We would regret it if we don't get a replacement for him.

TheRenniesance said: After thinking about it, I think Camilo is a far better trade option. Throw in Atiba for good measure too.

Camilo is 23, do you really want to give up on this guy so fast?

OldFan said:

TheRenniesance said: . thinking about it, I think Camilo is a far better trade option. Throw in Atiba for good measure too.

Camilo is 23, do you really want to give up on this guy so fast?

I'd say Camilo because I think you can get the most in return for him. You have to give up value to get value. The better question is whether we have needs that require it to be done. An experienced depth guy at center back would seem to be the main need. I like Mitchell, but get the sense Rennie doesn't share that opinion.

SAFC_Yank said: Why Barbara was a mistake ...

1. Brought him in even though he was hurt and it was clear we had a ton of options in those positions already.

2. Gave him a contract at roughly $88,000. That's double the salaries of Tan or Nguyen.

3. Now that he's here, he can't get into the 18, even though we're missing Salgado and Harris.

Solkowski said it almost tongue-in-cheek, but it probably is Rennie's biggest mistake. That says something about how well Rennie has done. Barbara should have been brought in as a trialist, rather than a signing, although the fact he was injured would have made that difficult.

A little info on Barbara. He was injured on the first day he was in camp, saw when it happened. He was out of shape when he came in and tried to push hard which may have caused the strain. It was re-injured during the reserve game against LA. Talked to him on Thursday and he was very frustrated. Tired of rehab and wants to get on the pitch. Feels his season is waste so far.

Smapti said:

SAFC_Yank said: Why Barbara was a mistake ...

1. Brought him in even though he was hurt and it was clear we had a ton of options in those positions already.

2. Gave him a contract at roughly $88,000. That's double the salaries of Tan or Nguyen.

3. Now that he's here, he can't get into the 18, even though we're missing Salgado and Harris.

Solkowski said it almost tongue-in-cheek, but it probably is Rennie's biggest mistake. That says something about how well Rennie has done. Barbara should have been brought in as a trialist, rather than a signing, although the fact he was injured would have made that difficult.

A little info on Barbara. He was injured on the first day he was in camp, saw when it happened. He was out of shape when he came in and tried to push hard which may have caused the strain. It was re-injured during the reserve game against LA. Talked to him on Thursday and he was very frustrated. Tired of rehab and wants to get on the pitch. Feels his season is waste so far.

Thanks for the correction on the injury timeline. That explains some of it, perhaps "signed him although he was hurt" would be more accurate. I'd stand by No.2 & 3 - the injury might explain yesterday, but its the fourth straight game he's not been in the 18.

I can certainly understand his frustration, I don't question his commitment or desire to contribute.

Defence wins championships. We have little depth on our back line. We have depth at forward. Someone has to leave in order for someone to come in, both for salary cap and roster size limits. If my addition is correct, that someone would have to make $200,000 or more in order to keep us cap compliant. I have a bad feeling that Eric picked a bad time to settle down.

On post game show corrazin was saying one of the youngsters would get a start on wednesday instead of camillo or hassli. He was mentioning clarke and nano. Hassli looked pretty bad off the bench last night unfortunately.

Barbara has just been an inocent nightmare since arriving. The usual dilmena of getting injured the moment he arrived and some uninspired play.

With this being a two match week against the league's most high profile sides there is a lot of lineup juggling to be had. I think it's logical to have Camilo up front playing Mattocks role on Wednesday night.

In a long season it's likely to see Camilo and Hassli back in the starting XI.

Keep Camilo over Hassli, simply because he'll be young enough to play for Canada when his time is up.

SOMEone has to go, though, if you want to bring anyone in.

doesn't Hassli have a 2 year contract? if I was the FO, I'd resign Hassli for a year at half his salary, assuming he still wants to stay. don't know how much less Camilo is making.

Jay_Duke said: We don't know how much allocation money we have so really all we know we NEED is a roster spot.

Boxall, Tan, or even Franks are more likely to clear a roster spot.

The only way to clear cap space using allocation money is to pay down the cap hit of a DP. You can't pay the hit down below $150,000. We can therefore clear a maximum of $225,000 ($200,000 off of Hassli's hit, plus $25,000 off of Robson's hit).

Based on the figures from the MLSPA, once Robson gets here we'll be $200,000 over the cap. We are already maxed out not only on our cap space, but on the overage permitted by allocation money.

Legal_Alien said: I know I'm going to regret asking this question but how do New York and LA manage to have the squads they do and stay within the MLS's regulations?

The designated player rule and the willingness to pay an entire team's worth of MLS salaries to a single player. Allocation money is also not publicly accounted for and can be used to buy down cap hits to avoid designated player markings. Totally opaque where allocation money comes from or goes to.

Does allocation money get reset every year?

PBandG said: Does allocation money get reset every year?

New amounts are handed out each year, for various reasons such as MLS Cup Win, expansion team status, table position, etc.

Brettness37 said:

You have to be able to buy down other salaries as well or DeMerit would be a DP.

You can pay down any player's salary. Also, there is no way to know when the allocation was used. The Caps could have used the majority of their allocation before the season and could be already under the Cap as of right now.

My understanding, and honestly who the fuck knows, is that the "base salary" is the figure that's used in determining whether a player is DP worthy or not. Demerit's base salary is $300,000, which is below the DP threshold, even though his "guaranteed compensation" is $350,000 (which still wouldn't make him a DP this year, though it would have last year).

I just go by what's posted on MLS' website, and it's obviously incomplete.

Why would we get rid of Camilo? There would be no benefit. He's young and talented and there really is no need to get rid of him or Hassli unless they are bringing in someone better.

The Camillo RUMMOR got started by a couple of people speculating, and one journalist suggesting Barry Robson wasn't the only big news coming this week.