No wonder our program doesn't grow. People so willing to play elsewhere. If he is not 100% committed to Canada, I don't want him to, nor does he deserve to don the Red and White... Good riddance

Missing his shot at a World Cup. It's a long-shot with Canada, but he'll never get the call from Holland. Stupid move.

Ultimately I think if he ever "changes his mind" Canada should straight up REFUSE to let him play for us...

JdG2 moved to the Netherlands at age 13 or so - I don't mind if he thinks he's Dutch rather than Canadian. However if Canada is his sloppy seconds, then I don't want him to play for Canada.

Ditto for Toilett. He's the only footballer in history who can't play internationally for two years while he sorts out his club football. He doesn't want Canada? That's fine. We don't want him then.

People who support Canada's national teams should be represented by people who care as much about our country as we do. Anyone who doesn't shouldn't play for us.

There is something absolutely hilarious in him announcing that whilst wearing a Canadian jacket

Can we change the title of this thread to "JdG2 remains committed to never playing International Football"

The telling quote, is that he actually figures he has a chance with the "new generation" of Dutch talent coming up, good luck son, you're going to need it.

He sent out the feelers by saying he was thinking Canadian again, and someone fed him the hope that he may be called up, thats fine, but he will never be anything more than a depth player at best for the dutch. Too bad, hes really getting some bad advice from somebody.

Chris said: Jonathan de Guzman emphasizes that Hoilett's comments last year that JdG was looking into regaining Canadian citizenship in order to play for the CMNT were blown out of proportion. He has been and will remain committed to the Dutch. Here's hoping the twat gets capped once in a qualifier and never plays for them again.

http://blogs.thescore.com/footyblog/2012/06/12/jonathan-de-guzman-remains-committed-to-the-netherlands/

It was actually Julian who got this started, not Hoilett. The comment about Junior was that Jonathan wanted Julian to put them in contact. As such, I find it weird that his own brother -with whom he's reportedly very close and had been very guarded up to this point- "blew things out of proportion."

krisaug5 said: Ultimately I think if he ever "changes his mind" Canada should straight up REFUSE to let him play for us...

Yeah , that would be great. But in another 3 years when he still hasn't played for Holland he may very well want to try Canada. I doubt anyone at the CSA would refuse him. Too bad though.

I would love to see one call up to some meaningless friendly, get a 2nd half substitution, and then never get picked by them again.

OldFan said: I would love to see one call up to some meaningless friendly, get a 2nd half substitution, and then never get picked by them again.

I share your sentiment. (But on a pedantic side note, friendlies don't cap-tie players.)

SAFC_Yank said:

Blue_and_White_Army said:

OldFan said: I would love to see one call up to some meaningless friendly, get a 2nd half substitution, and then never get picked by them again.

I share your sentiment. (But on a pedantic side note, friendlies don't cap-tie players.)

Might be wrong on this, but I think they do if you're over 21.

I believe that is the old Rule.. Being over the age of 21 has no significance any more

...complete with American spelling. :P

Hey SAFC. Good questions.

I'd think the "we" is Canadian citizens: in this case, and in particular, the ones who pay the price of admission to watch international sporting competition. We are there partially because we like to watch sport, but partially because we have an emotional attachment to the team we are supporting.

I disagree with FIFA's current rules on eligibility, and that is, of course, a separate issue. You should be able to play for a country you were born in, or that you are a full citizen of after a certain period of residency (say, 5 years), and that's all. Where your parents were born should be irrelevant, let alone your grandparents. Hargreaves should have been unable to play for England unless he moved there and lived there for several years, just like Marc Bircham should have been unable to represent Canada. Same for the Scot, McCready, representing Ireland at the Euros this year. Since everyone has to use these rules, you can't blame the FA, CSA, or any other national association for trying to "poach" players from elsewhere - but that doesn't mean they are right, or appropriate.

If Canada is an athlete's "only option" and he doesn't care enough about his "Canadianness" to represent the country in sport, he has an option - don't show up. Pro footballers don't have to play for a political / social entity that they don't feel committed to representing. Maybe that's what Hoilett is currently doing, for all we know. National teams are, and should be, more than just the means for furthering the careers of pro players. Maybe an argument could be made that national team sport IS primarily a means for advancing careers in some purely or mostly amateur sports (women soccer players? Canadian male field hockey players? any other athlete who can't earn a full living at his sport?); but for pro footballers it certainly shouldn't be. International competition is used partially to advance pro careers, of course; but that shouldn't be the only reason a player participates in them. There should be some difference between the motivation to play for Whitecaps or Chelsea on one hand, and Canada or England on the other: it shouldn't be the same motivation (personal wealth / fame) that is the only factor in both situations. I don't think it's Pollyanna-esque or overly romantic to think this.

I wouldn't bar a Quebec separatist, or feel that he should be barred, for a few reasons. I think that exposure to other Canadian athletes would serve to decrease, not increase, separatist sentiment (that's what I notice in a military context). The other reason is that they shouldn't be denied the opportunity of international competition if FIFA rules limit them to playing for Canada (or Spain, for Catalans, etc). But if they DO suit up for the country, then they need to accept that they can't then wear or make pro-separatist slogans, because that's disrespectful to their teammates in their collective pursuit of victory. This isn't a lot to ask - it's no different than not being allowed to use the national team as a vehicle to promote your views on religion, politics, or any other subject inappropriate in that context. I think it's tacky to wave a Saskatchewan or Quebec flag if you win something as part of "Team Canada", but I wouldn't stop someone from doing so. I hope that clarifies what I meant with my comments above. Cheers.

SAFC_Yank said:

And I questioned the "we" simply because there's a good portion of the citizenry in Canada (and the US) that doesn't care much.

I was going to say that "we" would be the football-supporting citizens. The same would apply to any national team in any nation. I have relatives in Norway & Denmark who could not care less about their national football teams. I refer to them as the "backward" part of the family.

can we just end this thread and not talk about this guy anymore!!!!!

dhawk11 said: can we just end this thread and not talk about this guy anymore!!!!!

I could derail it if you like..

So,, how about that Tommy Soehn guy......

Ageist!

danimal said: Perhaps OldFan meant Tommy should be running the Sr MNT.

No we needed a goal last night. He meant play :P

TS for Holland!

I get the sense from that interview that Julian thinks he is WAY better than he actually is. He needs to step back and assess the situation: he struggled to get playing time on a team that was relegated, yet says he is too good to play in the segunda and wants a call-up from Holland??? Kid needs a reality check.

OldFan said:

barca99 said: I get the sense from that interview that Julian thinks he is WAY better than he actually is. He needs to step back and assess the situation: he struggled to get playing time on a team that was relegated, yet says he is too good to play in the segunda and wants a call-up from Holland??? Kid needs a reality check.

He will get his reality check when another 3 years pass by and he isn't selected (or only gets one call up and that's it).

If he didn't get it after being a spot starter for a relegated La Liga team, he never will. Remember that Jono, like many a professional athlete, is surrounded by hangers-on whose prime purpose is to whisper in his ear that he's the best.