Players Union 2012 Salaries Released

fourfourtwo · Post edited by fourfourtwo at 2012-05-25 11:37:56

http://www.mlsplayers.org/salary_info.html

A few interesting things on here if true.

1.) Bonjour makes more than YPL and Rochat. 2.) Thorrington should be cut immediately, Harris and Harvey could join him. 3.) LeToux makes less than I thought ( Mattocks makes more)

DannyBoy · Post edited by DannyBoy at 2012-05-25 11:43:19

Who is Ibrahim Diop?

or is this just bad editing and he's some random unattached player?

fourfourtwo

DannyBoy said: Who is Ibrahim Diop?

or is this just bad editing and he's some random unattached player?

That is my guess... He played last in the Luxembourg league according to TransferMarket.

OldFan · Post edited by OldFan at 2012-05-25 11:48:33

Oh my... I can't believe YPL is so low! This man really wanted to be in our city!

And Tan didn't get the raise people were thinking he got!

brrrrrradley

I want Mattocks' agent, though Atiba's is pretty good too. I think he doubled his salary from last year on 5 games worth of work.
;)

prawnsideFC

Le Toux and YPL don't make enough in my opinion.

Lord_Bob

Lee needs to fire his agent and hire Harris's.

Thorrington + Harvey + Harris = almost half a million bucks in players who make me scream when they get on the field.

ynwasouthside

Before Robson, I'm summing $3,079,468 in the on-budget category with an adjustment for Hassli at $335,000. That the guaranteed compensation column. Which doesn't make much sense if the cap is $2.8m. I thought these figures we're after allocation?

rodderzzz

I find it annoying that the salaries get released, shouldnt happen

slamo

Mattocks is a GA.

Chris

Mattocks is artificially inflated because of his Generation Adidas status. The point is to pay then a lot so they stay here and don't jump ship to Europe.

fourfourtwo

By position: Goalies: $264,000 Defenders: $1,193,000 Midfielders: $952,000 Forwards:$ 1,855,000

OldFan

rodderzzz said: I find it annoying that the salaries get released, shouldnt happen

I have to wonder if this kind of list seeds discourse in the locker room.

fourfourtwo

OldFan said:

rodderzzz said: I find it annoying that the salaries get released, shouldnt happen

I have to wonder if this kind of list seeds discourse in the locker room.

MLS is weird this way, in that on most leagues the Salary is direct related to impact. Here there seems to be some discrepancy.

Lord_Bob

rodderzzz said: I find it annoying that the salaries get released, shouldnt happen

The Players Union releases it voluntarily. Presumably if the players didn't want it, it wouldn't happen. And who else's business would it be to decide?

Surreysider

I highly doubt that this would cause problems in the dressing room, as most of these players probably have a good idea of what each other would be making

prawnsideFC · Post edited by prawnsideFC at 2012-05-25 12:13:54

In comparison to some of the other teams our players salaries are amazing. Wow, TFC pays their DP's a tonne.

And Henry and Marquez make 9.6 million together which is higher than our entire salary.

BianconeroSouthsider

Thorrington either needs a salary cut, or he needs to go, that's far too much. Harris and Harvey should join him out the door as well, I agree.

Everyone else is either deserving of their wages, or deserve more.

prawnsideFC

How the hell are the redbulls financially viable? Their attendance is dreadful considering the players they have and the fact that they have a new stadium and they pay their players a shit tonne of money.

krisaug5

Frings up at about 2.5 guaranteed. 2.0 base. Nice Salary. No wonder he went to TFC...

Blue_and_White_Army

Wow, Camilo received more than a $100K raise from last year. His agent's huffing and puffing certainly worked!

Bonjour's on more than a quarter-million? His agent must be laughing. That's more than six times what fellow defender Mitchell is making.

And speaking of agents... I bet you that Rennie is getting an ear-full from Mitchell's and Tan's agents today, asking for raises.

Silly MLS got Lee Young-pyo's names wrong way around. ;))

Blue_and_White_Army

prawnsideFC said: How the hell are the redbulls financially viable?

They're not.

NoJoyTap

Lord_Bob said: Lee needs to fire his agent and hire Harris's.

Thorrington + Harvey + Harris = almost half a million bucks in players who make me scream when they get on the field.

His agent is fine. Lee chose Vancouver despite much higher offers elsewhere remember.

THANK YOU LEE!

Seathanaich

Players unions, in all sports, want this stuff to be public knowledge, so that bidding wars ensue, thereby driving up EVERYONE'S salary. Since this is a salary cap league, the point is to drive all teams up to the cap maximum, even those teams who's revenues can't support it (see: NHL US sun-belt teams).

Driving all teams to the within touching distance of the cap creates pressure to increase the size of the cap, thereby resulting in bigger salaries for all players. And the cycle continues.

Canadianspur

ynwasouthside said: Before Robson, I'm summing $3,079,468 in the on-budget category with an adjustment for Hassli at $335,000. That the guaranteed compensation column. Which doesn't make much sense if the cap is $2.8m. I thought these figures we're after allocation?

I understood that this was before the mysterious/magical allocation

Chris

Best values for money, YP Lee and JM Davidson.

blazeofglory

Lee came out and said the 'Caps offer was the lowest he got from anywhere but he wanted to come for family reasons. Also, he's probably got more money than he knows what to do with already.

SAFC_Yank

Random comments:

I believe LeToux's deal is the one he signed when Seattle was still in USL, and expires at the end of this year.

Would have thought Cannon and Thor took bigger cuts, but not bothered.

Was talking with my son about Bonjour last night, we figured he was max $150,000, but he's well above.

And as much as I've been critical of Davidson, having a guy at about $70,000 playing almost every minute is a steal.

blazeofglory

Good lord how is Harvey possibly worth that much? Pretty much the worst player on the team imo.

mattock

The 2.81 million salary cap is misleading.....only the salaries of the highest paid 20 players count against the cap. There are other ways to get around the cap - signing a young dp - 20 and younger is only a $150,000 hit and 21to 23 - as Dallas did with Shea- is $200,000. Mattocks I believe is generation adidas and there salary doesn't go against the Cap- Wenger for Montreal makes more. What slays me is the Caps are paying Klazura- in one of the most expensive MLS cities - minumum salary - $33,750 - when his stipend has no effect on the salary cap - cheapskates!

Seathanaich

Good point about the bottom end guys. You can't afford to eat real food and have an apartment in Vancouver for $33K.

If I had billions and owned my own Canadian D2 league I think I'd set the minimum salary at $50K, just so that the players couldn't be lured away by Wal-Mart.

blazeofglory

Every time Harvey gets burned by a simple hesitation move or mindlessly hoofs the ball into touch when theres an open pass to make he should have to give a few grand to the guys making less than 50K.

mattock

Last year Salinas was paid - I believe high 40's - but his wife couldn't snag a job here and he once tweeted that a box of cereal cost $8 in Vancouver - suggesting how was he suppose to keep body and soul together (well the latter with Shea wasn't an issue.) Perhaps to give management a gentle jab, the Southsiders could organize a food parcel for Greg.

Canadianspur

mattock said: The 2.81 million salary cap is misleading.....only the salaries of the highest paid 20 players count against the cap. There are other ways to get around the cap - signing a young dp - 20 and younger is only a $150,000 hit and 21to 23 - as Dallas did with Shea- is $200,000. Mattocks I believe is generation adidas and there salary doesn't go against the Cap- Wenger for Montreal makes more. What slays me is the Caps are paying Klazura- in one of the most expensive MLS cities - minumum salary - $33,750 - when his stipend has no effect on the salary cap - cheapskates!

To qulaify as "off-cap" they can only be paid certain maximum amounts (I think depending on age) The $44K and $33K are likely at the maximum allowed to keep them off-cap.

ynwasouthside

The GA guys are off-budget and guys like Franks are on-budge due to their age. You need to be '88 or younger to be off budget this year.

barmyarmy

seathanaich said: Players unions, in all sports, want this stuff to be public knowledge, so that bidding wars ensue, thereby driving up EVERYONE'S salary. Since this is a salary cap league, the point is to drive all teams up to the cap maximum, even those teams who's revenues can't support it (see: NHL US sun-belt teams).

Driving all teams to the within touching distance of the cap creates pressure to increase the size of the cap, thereby resulting in bigger salaries for all players. And the cycle continues.

Ultimately resulting in higher season ticket prices to cover the salaries. Look at NHL - I had Oiler season tickets in 1987 to 1992 - $12.00 a seat mid blues - heck the taxes are higher now - all because the NHL in their wisdom suddenly decided to publish salaries!!

SAFC_Yank

mattock said: Last year Salinas was paid - I believe high 40's - but his wife couldn't snag a job here and he once tweeted that a box of cereal cost $8 in Vancouver - suggesting how was he suppose to keep body and soul together (well the latter with Shea wasn't an issue.) Perhaps to give management a gentle jab, the Southsiders could organize a food parcel for Greg.

He could have done what half of the Lower Mainland seems to do - shop in Bellingham. ;-)

bili

How long before Saputo starts paying his players under the table?

Canadianspur · Post edited by Canadianspur at 2012-05-25 13:55:34

We are allowed a maximum on 10 off cap players so these players would not count against cap I think.

Salgado - GA, Nanchoff - GA, Teibert - GA, Boxall - min Salary, Sylvestre - min Salary, mattocks - GA, Tan - Min salary, Clarke -HG, Klazura - Min salary, Alderson - HG

mattock

No..... only the top 20 salaries - Mattocks as generation adidas is excluded - count against the cap. There are no mandatory pay slots - but there are guidelines for a minimum salary. Players 1-24 have to earn S44,000 and 25-30 are in for atleast $33,750. There is a catch for lowest of the low - they have to be under the age of 25 in 2012 - and Greg is 23. The Caps didn't have to bottom -out on the future MD or Brian Sylvestre.

bili

MLS is too complicated.

ynwasouthside

bili said: MLS is too complicated.

Don't worry. There's a new draft to fix that.

blazeofglory

Is Salgado Generation Addidas as well?

Landredas

http://girlscansocceradventures.wordpress.com/2011/12/09/wps-whitecaps-and-duane-rollins/

Not sure if anyone else caught this blog by Ciara McCormak when it came out but it's worth reading as it mentions in passing:

"At the beginning of the season, a friend of mine that works for the organization made the comment to me that the girls would be doing a lot more of the free clinics, as per MLS rules, the men’s teams have to get paid $300 per appearance."

I don't always agree with her point of view but that's for another post. The main thing is that if a player at the bottom of the pay scale does have the opportunity to make a few more dollars upping his salary. Not enough to bump a player into the upper echelon, but when you're making 33k being able to add say 5k ( 2 apperances a month over about 8 months in town) is a huge deal.

Does anyone know if someone has done an analysis of how well ex Generation Addidas players do after they have "graduated". I'd be curious to see just how often they are able to maintain the premium they get to join the MLS and not go overseas.

Blue_and_White_Army · Post edited by Blue_and_White_Army at 2012-05-25 14:12:18

The MLS jobber salary definitely needs to be raised. Wouldn't be surprised if many of them were getting paid extra "under the table", especially those with wives.

OldFan

Landredas said: http://girlscansocceradventures.wordpress.com/2011/12/09/wps-whitecaps-and-duane-rollins/

Not sure if anyone else caught this blog by Ciara McCormak when it came out but it's worth reading as it mentions in passing:

"At the beginning of the season, a friend of mine that works for the organization made the comment to me that the girls would be doing a lot more of the free clinics, as per MLS rules, the men’s teams have to get paid $300 per appearance."

I don't always agree with her point of view but that's for another post. The main thing is that if a player at the bottom of the pay scale does have the opportunity to make a few more dollars upping his salary. Not enough to bump a player into the upper echelon, but when you're making 33k being able to add say 5k ( 2 apperances a month over about 8 months in town) is a huge deal.

Does anyone know if someone has done an analysis of how well ex Generation Addidas players do after they have "graduated". I'd be curious to see just how often they are able to maintain the premium they get to join the MLS and not go overseas.

I remember reading that and just thinking it was "sour grapes" more than anything else. Does anyone else think that?

BianconeroSouthsider

Chris said: Best values for money, YP Lee and JM Davidson.

Davidson is hot and cold, that's my one problem with him. Sometimes he bosses the midfield in the holding position, but other times he can be dreadful. His passing can be off, he's slow in his decision making, but other times, he's precise.

Seathanaich · Post edited by Seathanaich at 2012-05-25 14:15:52

No, I don't think it's sour grapes, I think it's a legitimate complaint. These women aren't paid anything at all, IIRC, because that would be problematic for the university eligibility of their university players. When you're getting paid nothing, and you're doing more "club promo" work than the people who are getting paid, you have every right to complain.

bobloblaw17

Does the club provide billets for low end players, or are they part of Vancouvers homeless population?

Chris

I expect the minimum wage will get a good bump with the next CBA, along with the salary cap.

Canadianspur · Post edited by Canadianspur at 2012-05-25 14:24:17

Salary & Budget:

•Players occupying roster spots 1-20 count against the club’s 2012 salary budget of $2,810,000, and are referred to collectively as the club’s Salary Budget Players.

◦Roster spots 19 and 20 are not required to be filled, and teams may spread their salary budget across only 18 Salary Budget Players. A minimum salary budget charge will be imputed against a team’s salary budget for each unfilled senior roster slot below 18.

◦The maximum budget charge for a single player is $350,000.*

◦A Designated Player over the age of 23 counts as $350,000 against the club’s salary budget, unless the player joins his club in the middle of the season, in which case his budget charge will be $175,000.

◦A Designated Player 20 years old or younger** (referred to as Young Designated Players or Young DPs) to counts as $150,000 against the club’s salary budget ◦A Designated Player 21-23 years old** counts as $200,000 against the club’s salary budget.

◦The budget charge for the midseason signing of a Young DP is $150,000 and this amount cannot be lowered with allocation funds.

◦Clubs will not have to buy the third DP roster slot to accommodate a Young Designated Player whereas clubs are normally required to buy that slot for a one-time fee of $250,000.

◦Clubs are responsible for all amounts above the budget charge for all Designated Players.

See section entitled Allocation Money below, under Player Acquisition Mechanisms, for details on buying down a player’s budget charge.

** Age of player is determined by year (not date) of birth.

•Players occupying roster spots 21-30 do not count against the club’s salary budget, and are referred to collectively as the club’s Off-Budget Players (maximum of 10 per team).

◦All Generation adidas players are Off-Budget players.

◦Players occupying roster spots 1-24 will earn at least $44,000 in 2012.

◦Players occupying roster spots 25-30 will earn at least $33,750 in 2012.

◦Clubs may elect to leave up to two of these roster spots (25-30) vacant and use $35,000 for each empty spot as allocation money.

◦Clubs may sign up to two Homegrown Players contracts above the minimum salary and similar to Generation adidas player contract amounts.

Age Designations:

•Any player making $33,750 must be under the age 25 (does not turn 25 or older in 2012).

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