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    Has he been training with the Caps after that debacle at Swangard? I assumed he/they had given up on it.

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  • Lord_BobLord_Bob
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    Look, I know that Lensky has problems far beyond what country he chose to play for, and I know that many of you don't care about the Canadian national team, and I know that playing somebody just because of where they're from is stupid and counterproductive, but if Lensky gets starts on left wing ahead of Russell Teibert I am going to blow my stack.

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    Pretty sure Rennie said months ago that Lensky was away and they no longer had any interest in signing him.

    Also someone told me that the Caps found out that another club still had rights on him.

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  • Lord_BobLord_Bob
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    GoF said: Pretty sure Rennie said months ago that Lensky was away and they no longer had any interest in signing him.

    If you didn't see it, Luke Wileman tweeted today that Lensky is in training with the 'Caps.

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  • Are you allowed to play while wearing an oxygen mask? Does he carry the tank or does a long line run to the sideline?

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    I think this is good news. The kid has a huge up side if Rennie can motivate him correctly. I was at Swanguard for the debacle and he was in no shape to have been anywhere near a competitive game. Nevertheless, I remember him making some excellent passes that day and the potential was there for all to see.

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  • Lord_JordLord_Jord
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    Yeah, I can't see the downside. If it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out. He's not important enough at this point to affect the squad. If Rennie can sort him out we could have a real talent on our hands.

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    For what it's worth, I was told by Nathan Vanstone that he's not on another trial, he's just training for fitness purposes . . .

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    I think Rennie has enough to do.

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    Well, they need bodies just to get to 18 with Bryce away and all the injuries. b-(

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  • G_ZolaG_Zola
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    Don't know how legit this is but:

    http://www.fcupdate.nl/voetbalnieuws/209800/lensky-hoopt-op-nieuwe-kans-in-vancouver/

    According to this he is set to sign.

  • GoFGoF
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    Tweeted this out earlier but probably got lost in all the Hassli stuff.

    I've been told that the other team to mysteriously hold Lensky's rights were TFC.

    We've now traded with Toronto for these rights (not sure if it's part of the Hassli deal), Vancouver are free to sign him if they so choose.

    This doesn't mean they will, but they can monitor him and then decide.

    That said, I think he'll be joining sooner rather than later.

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    The Lensky news was at 9:45 - Hassli was still going to training. I think it was separate - not that it matters, but I'd guess this is a done deal. Why would they give TFC anything for discovery rights and more evidence of MLS secrecies?? How did TFC get the discovery rights from Seattle? Certainly a funny league.

    ETA though if the Hassli deal was in the works it may have been a given that Jacob would be part of the deal.

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    Yeah the Toronto guys like Rudy and Rollins had no idea TFC even had his rights!

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    GoF said: Yeah the Toronto guys like Rudy and Rollins had no idea TFC even had his rights!

    Rollins usually has no idea.

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    Who do the Whitecaps have discovery claims on?

    Didn't think so. They keep that stuff pretty secret until it becomes relevant. Not going to blame anybody for not getting in front of that story.

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    Lord_Bob said: Who do the Whitecaps have discovery claims on?

    Didn't think so. They keep that stuff pretty secret until it becomes relevant. Not going to blame anybody for not getting in front of that story.

    Don't let facts get in the way of my shot at Rollins.

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    Jay_Duke said:

    Lord_Bob said: Who do the Whitecaps have discovery claims on?

    Didn't think so. They keep that stuff pretty secret until it becomes relevant. Not going to blame anybody for not getting in front of that story.

    Don't let facts get in the way of my shot at Rollins.

    I hear Alessandro Nesta is going to sign with TFC.

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    Touché

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    Lord_Bob said: Who do the Whitecaps have discovery claims on?

    Jacob Lensky :-D

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    I know he's got a lot of talent, but in the past he's made it pretty clear that he doesn't like football. I hate to see him get a contract to have a "Vancouver kid" when Fisk, McKendry, Marquez, Stanese et all are busting their assess to win the USSDA league.

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    Is Lensky for sure capped by the Czechs or can he still play for Canada? I'm reading conflicting things on different sites.

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    Lord_Bob said: Who do the Whitecaps have discovery claims on?

    The entire Scottish National Team

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    DannyBoy said: Is Lensky for sure capped by the Czechs or can he still play for Canada? I'm reading conflicting things on different sites.

    I'm told he's signed papers for the one-time switch, so he's a Czech player unless the CSA/Lensky appeal directly for FIFA for one of those "rare" (one or two per year, on average) exceptions.

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    I asked him directly. He said he can't play for Canada because he accepted a call from the CMNT and then switched to Czech Republic.

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    Well then he can fuck off like LB said.

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    DannyBoy said: Well then he can fuck off like LB said.

    If all the non-FIFA Canadians did that, we wouldn't have much of a squad.

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    Christopher said:

    DannyBoy said: Well then he can fuck off like LB said.

    If all the non-FIFA Canadians did that, we wouldn't have much of a squad.

    We fielded a competitive squad without Rochat on Wednesday.

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    Christopher said:

    DannyBoy said: Well then he can fuck off like LB said.

    If all the non-FIFA Canadians did that, we wouldn't have much of a squad.

    We'd lose one guy who never represented Canada at any youth level and made his only international appearance for the country he largely grew up in.

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    Jacob will be a brilliant player for us.

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    DannyBoy said:

    Christopher said:

    DannyBoy said: Well then he can fuck off like LB said.

    If all the non-FIFA Canadians did that, we wouldn't have much of a squad.

    We fielded a competitive squad without Rochat on Wednesday.

    On Wednesday, we had fielded no players who were Canadians, by FIFA's standard, or otherwise.

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  • LovethemcapsLovethemcaps
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    So what? Is anyone concerned if Canucks play swedes and Americans? Can figure this out? Play the best not canadians If they are not the best available

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    If lensky puts hard work and dedication into the team and it helps, i'm in.

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    What was with that tweet I saw that said he was wearing #31... What about Teibert? What's going on there?

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    Lovethemcaps said: So what? Is anyone concerned if Canucks play swedes and Americans? Can figure this out? Play the best not canadians If they are not the best available

    There's also a significant Canadian contribution on the Canucks.

    I'm in the middle on this one. I'd like the best players to play, but I would like to see Canadians get into the action when they can. There's no reason, to me, that Teibert should be stapled to the bench while Nanchoff sees fairly regular substitute minutes.

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    Canucks is not a fair example. There's a LOT more opportunity to play pro or semi-pro hockey in this country than soccer.

    Maybe the reason Teibert is on the bench while Nano plays is that Rennie believes Nano has more to offer. Can you imagine the uproar if it were discovered that we lost an important game because a player was subbed in due to his nationality and not his ability? Hypothetical I admit, but consider the repercussions from the fans and sponsors.

    I am by no means anti-Canadian. But my take on this issue is very simple: let the team develop a solid first team based on ability. Once that happens you have flexibility to bring in Canadian talent without putting so much pressure on them to perform too soon. I'm no footy expert but it seems we have to walk before we can run.

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    Well said. TFC seems like a good example of what happens when you play Canadians for the sake of it.

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    krisaug5 said: What was with that tweet I saw that said he was wearing #31... What about Teibert? What's going on there?

    That was just me winding up Ben

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    Oh thank god. You had me worried too! Was rather distracted during a flight as a result...

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    I think playing a Canadian for the sake of playing Canadians would be a disgrace, but I also don't think anybody is suggesting the Whitecaps should do that.

    I do, however, think that eagerly bringing in and giving a contract to somebody who stole our country's limited soccer resources under false pretenses and spat in our entire country's face for the sake of the place his dad was born out of purely selfish motives sends the wrong message. Something like "we are doormats, please walk all over us."

    Again, I realize I'm in a minuscule minority here.

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    What have I missed Ben? Are you speaking hypothetically?

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    Bad_Gones said: What have I missed Ben? Are you speaking hypothetically?

    If the Whitecaps signed Jacob Lensky, which many accounts say they probably will.

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    Lord_Bob said:

    Bad_Gones said: What have I missed Ben? Are you speaking hypothetically?

    If the Whitecaps signed Jacob Lensky, which many accounts say they probably will.

    Thanks. Sounded like you were talking about Hargreaves. Forgot about Lensky's story.

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    I've not seen much of Lensky in training this week, but by all accounts he's looking sharp. If he can add something to the squad then I have no problemn in signing him, but I can see why fans of the CMNT would.

    For me, the biggest disappointment has been not seeing Bryce Alderson get any minutes, especially in the Cup games.

    He was excellent pre-season and didn't look out of place.

    It must be hard for the Residency guys coming through. They see there is a chance of making the Caps MLS squad but then that's about it.

    Then we're back to the continuing argument of how can they then develop if they can't get anything but the odd reserve game here and there, as PDL is limited.

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    How is this situation different from anywhere else in the world? I'm assuming the big difference is the number of league matches at the Residency & Reserve levels?

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    Bad_Gones said:

    Lord_Bob said:

    Bad_Gones said: What have I missed Ben? Are you speaking hypothetically?

    If the Whitecaps signed Jacob Lensky, which many accounts say they probably will.

    Thanks. Sounded like you were talking about Hargreaves. Forgot about Lensky's story.

    Say what you like about Hargreaves - and heaven knows I have - but at least he didn't play for Canada's youth teams for several years at several levels, accept a call to the Canadian senior national team, then inform the coach by e-mail almost at the last minute that he had filed paperwork to switch to the Czech Republic so he could play for their U-21s.

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    As long as we have the international spots for those players who don’t count as domestic by MLS rules, I say sign and play the best player you can. If you want Canadians, then do it the right way by winning, and the youth in this country will want to emulate those players. It’ll take care of itself. That said; if everything else is equal, sure, go for the British Columbian or Canadian player. It stands to reason that someone with roots here would want to stay for longer. If they end up being good enough for bigger and brighter things, then maybe you’ll get an extra year or two out of them before they move on.

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    Bad_Gones said: How is this situation different from anywhere else in the world? I'm assuming the big difference is the number of league matches at the Residency & Reserve levels?

    Pretty much. In UK, clubs have full reserve schedules. Germany has U23 leagues.

    Craig Dalrymple told me that was the way to go but that North America isn't ready for it.

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    Christopher said: That said; if everything else is equal, sure, go for the British Columbian or Canadian player. It stands to reason that someone with roots here would want to stay for longer. If they end up being good enough for bigger and brighter things, then maybe you’ll get an extra year or two out of them before they move on.

    And there's the added benefit of a local player being good marketing. I know the idea is to develop Canadian talent, but for the clubs you also have to look at butts in seats. I believe fans would love a local hero.

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