Canada '12 kit; WCQ 3R & centennial friendly all in Toronto

Brettness37

I'd be interested to find out how Provincial SAs and other local groups could deny funding to the CSA. No reciprocal support, no funding. We'll give you money when you represent all of us.

If they had announced a game in any city other than Toronto or province other than Ontario, I would be silent on the issue. It's not just that I think we should have more in Vancouver, but that people all over the country should have access to the NATIONAL team.

cixceven

barca99 said:

If you are really serious about a game in Van trying to organize a meaningful protest would be a great way to go. Maybe even try to get the Caps and Voyageurs involved. Show that there is legitimate interest in hosting a game vs Cuba or Panama. I'm honestly not sure if Swangard would be full for those.

Legitimate is my word of the day.

Getting the Caps onboard is a non-starter. It isn't their fight, and really they would have nothing to gain from it. National team games here are very unlikely to drive people to watch Caps games if they aren't already; on the other hand, success by the Caps in drawing good number probably would increase the attendance at a national team game. I think if the WOQ had happened two years ago, the numbers would not have reached the same heights, such is the impact the MLS Caps have had on the city's soccer awareness.

As for showing legit interest in Cuba or Panama, well, it would be tough to generate much fanfare for those opponents, that much is true. But the sale should be on the home team, not the visitors (I realize that's not how it works when you have a top-level country visiting, although in an ideal world, it would still hold). We'll see how many people are at BMO field for those games, then ask if we could have matched it. I would bet we could.

Seathanaich

krisaug5 said: tweeted it!

Not bad. No squiggly crap, no black, no junk anywhere to uglify it. Just enough white highlights to let you know that's our other national colour. In short, a real jersey.

I would have expected to see something around the logo to commemorate the Centenary, and a wreath of 10 Maple Leafs. They could take that off next year.

Solar

Lord_Bob said:

"Vancouver? Why should we care what a bunch of foreign fans think?"

Ahh probably there thinking right there.

Really too bad this decision. Would be better for the sport in this country and expose the game to more youths if the locations were not in 1 location.

Surreysider

Put me down for a Cascadia flag at the home opener.

Maybe a southside wide singing of the Cascadian national anthem at a game? While only waving those flags.

Could be fun

Christopher

Looks like the TSA is up to its old tricks again.

Huh?

Truly? Oh, all right then.

It appears that we aren't governed by the Toronto Soccer Association, but by the Canadian Soccer Association. Can someone send them a telegram explaining that Richmond Hill, Ohawa, Mississauga, and Lake Ontario are not in fact the borders of Canada.

spinrack · Post edited by spinrack at 2012-02-02 19:00:04

So the dates line up as follows...

June 3: Friendly v. USA

June 12: WCQ v. Honduras

Sept 7: WCQ v. Panama

Oct 12: WCQ v. Cuba

With the exception of the Honduras match, all games take place during Whitecaps bye weeks. Very convenient for anyone who cares to go see a match in person.

Blue_and_White_Army

Flying to Toronto? Meh.

RandomWhiteMale · Post edited by RandomWhiteMale at 2012-02-02 19:21:25

I enjoyed myself thoroughly at the Olympic Qualification Tournament and cheered for the women's team as hard as I could. This announcement today shows a complete disregard on behalf of the CSA for the City of Vancouver and its excellent supporters.

In many respects, this illustrates why I could never really begrudge a Hargreaves, Hoillet, DeGuzman or LeRoux for trying their luck With another country. An organization such as the CSA, that can overlook an entire city, coming off the heels of fantastic support for one of its own tournaments, must surely also be guilty of neglecting and overlooking the young talent within its own ranks.

coriba

What other major National teams play in only one stadium? I get St Kitts and Barbados, but come one, really.

Blue_and_White_Army

A sea of Cascadia flags on March 10th, people.

RandomWhiteMale

Give me team BC to cheer for instead of Canada and I'll support it, win or lose, whole-heartedly. Same goes for any sport. This country is simply too big, its powerbrokers too far apart, and maybe too crooked, to have its interests represented by a single sporting governing body.

Dhawk

looks like the womens us jersey with the piping going up the neck, not a fan of them!

Lord_Jord · Post edited by Lord_Jord at 2012-02-02 19:49:40

I just posted a totally irrational, but highly enjoyable (to write anyways) rant about the CSA. I get the real grass thing, I do... I want real grass badly and understand why the players want to play on grass. But that doesn't mean I can't rant. It's so fun.

http://79forever.wordpress.com/2012/02/02/knee-jerk-cmnt-rant/

Dhawk

NO montreal or vancouver to host any games is just a shame for soccer in this country, their is a reason they call it a national team, not a toronto team, frustrating to have to put up with the CSA

RandomWhiteMale

krisaug5 said:

The 80's looking, NASL style Canada Soccer logo prevents this jersey, that is supposed to celebrate 100years, from looking classic. TimbersFC got it right with their throwback 3rd kits; if you want to capture that old school flavor, you have go with the old school looking crests.

Christopher

coriba said: What other major National teams play in only one stadium? I get St Kitts and Barbados, but come one, really.

Wembley, but it's a hell of a lot easier getting there from Manchester than BMO Field is from here.

RandomWhiteMale

Lord_Jord said: I just posted a totally irrational, but highly enjoyable (to write anyways) rant about the CSA. I get the real grass thing, I do... I want real grass badly and understand why the players want to play on grass. But that doesn't mean I can't rant. It's so fun.

http://79forever.wordpress.com/2012/02/02/knee-jerk-cmnt-rant/

Read it. Identified with it strongly.

barca99

Christopher said:

coriba said: What other major National teams play in only one stadium? I get St Kitts and Barbados, but come one, really.

Wembley, but it's a hell of a lot easier getting there from Manchester than BMO Field is from here.

Costa Rica, Mexico as much as possible, Scotland, Ireland...

RandomWhiteMale

barca99 said:

Christopher said:

coriba said: What other major National teams play in only one stadium? I get St Kitts and Barbados, but come one, really.

Wembley, but it's a hell of a lot easier getting there from Manchester than BMO Field is from here.

Costa Rica, Mexico as much as possible, Scotland, Ireland...

Those countries aren't desperate to grow the game like we should be in Canada. They don't need to gain exposure across their nations like we do here.

cixceven

RandomWhiteMale said:

barca99 said:

Christopher said:

coriba said: What other major National teams play in only one stadium? I get St Kitts and Barbados, but come one, really.

Wembley, but it's a hell of a lot easier getting there from Manchester than BMO Field is from here.

Costa Rica, Mexico as much as possible, Scotland, Ireland...

Those countries aren't desperate to grow the game like we should be in Canada. They don't need to gain exposure across their nations like we do here.

True. Also, with the exception of Mexico, which of those countries is so big that a few hours by car (rather than plane) from virtually any corner and you are at the game site?

Canuckred

Lord jord, once again you summed up how I'm feeling beautifully. To go from how genuinely excited I was about our amazing draw until how awful I feel now. Knew it was coming and would be fine with the decision though I had hope Montreal got one. Now that Toronto or the friendly a few weeks before a world cup game and during the European offseason I could really give less than a shit about the TMNT.

Actually I love the teenage mutant ninja turtles but you know what I mean... :P

piltdownman

Mexico also doesn't play all it's matches at Azteca BTW. Last WCQ they played in Monterrey, Mexico City, and Tuxtla Gutiérrez,

barca99

piltdownman said: Mexico also doesn't play all it's matches at Azteca BTW. Last WCQ they played in Monterrey, Mexico City, and Tuxtla Gutiérrez,

Important ones, no? I can't see them playing the US anywhere else.

Lord_Jord

Canuckred said: Lord jord, once again you summed up how I'm feeling beautifully. To go from how genuinely excited I was about our amazing draw until how awful I feel now. Knew it was coming and would be fine with the decision though I had hope Montreal got one. Now that Toronto or the friendly a few weeks before a world cup game and during the European offseason I could really give less than a shit about the TMNT.

Actually I love the teenage mutant ninja turtles but you know what I mean... :P

Haha. Thanks, I appreciate that. I try to write about what we are all feeling or thinking... I try to get at what's in our hearts. I think it matters.

Durock

how do I get around to purchasing a cascadia flag?

piltdownman

barca99 said:

piltdownman said: Mexico also doesn't play all it's matches at Azteca BTW. Last WCQ they played in Monterrey, Mexico City, and Tuxtla Gutiérrez,

Important ones, no? I can't see them playing the US anywhere else.

Big games are at Azteca. But they spread out the less hard matches. I never said they spread out the hard matches, simply they don't play all of them in one venue.

And why do they play those big matches at Azteca? I would guess because their fans make it a scary place for opposition teams to play at and they can sell the most tickets.

piltdownman · Post edited by piltdownman at 2012-02-02 21:17:26

Durock said: how do I get around to purchasing a cascadia flag?

The Southsiders barely sold out our stock last year. So the flag shop has them for about $60.

RandomWhiteMale · Post edited by RandomWhiteMale at 2012-02-02 21:28:49

piltdownman said:

Durock said: how do I get around to purchasing a cascadia flag?

The Southsiders barely sold out our stock last year. So the flag shop has them for about $60.

In retrospect, having that Cascadia edition of the Southsiders shirt you designed as the official t-shirt of opening day would have been awesome.

Blue_and_White_Army

piltdownman said:

Durock said: how do I get around to purchasing a cascadia flag?

The Southsiders barely sold out our stock last year. So the flag shop has them for about $60.

Are you planning to do another batch this season? Something tells me they would sell fairly swiftly.

piltdownman

RandomWhiteMale said:

piltdownman said:

Durock said: how do I get around to purchasing a cascadia flag?

The Southsiders barely sold out our stock last year. So the flag shop has them for about $60.

In retrospect, having that Cascadia edition of the Southsiders shirt you designed as the official t-shirt of opening day would have been awesome.

As said before we need to move the shirts we have before introducing more designs.

piltdownman · Post edited by piltdownman at 2012-02-02 21:36:48

Blue_and_White_Army said:

piltdownman said:

Durock said: how do I get around to purchasing a cascadia flag?

The Southsiders barely sold out our stock last year. So the flag shop has them for about $60.

Are you planning to do another batch this season? Something tells me they would sell fairly swiftly.

We had a limited opportunity to buy the ones we did and had a hard enough time selling the 18 we sold. So no plans to get more.

barca99

I just want Canada to make the World Cup. I think playing this round in Toronto makes sense. Was hoping for the US game in Van, but I understand why they would want to get settled in and stay in one place. All the talk of people not supporting the National team because of this is too bad. Any positive ideas to get the CSA to schedule some games in Van I'd be behind.

Back to talking about LeToux and the 2012 Caps. Pretty stoked on that guy.

Chris

barca99 said: I just want Canada to make the World Cup. I think playing this round in Toronto makes sense. Was hoping for the US game in Van, but I understand why they would want to get settled in and stay in one place. All the talk of people not supporting the National team because of this is too bad. Any positive ideas to get the CSA to schedule some games in Van I'd be behind.

Back to talking about LeToux and the 2012 Caps. Pretty stoked on that guy.

I've already supported them. They brought some games here, I bought a jersey, a scarf and a tournament package. Should they continue to bring games here, I will continue to show my support. I can't afford a trip to Toronto for a soccer game, sadly.

Lord_Bob

barca99 said: I just want Canada to make the World Cup. I think playing this round in Toronto makes sense. Was hoping for the US game in Van, but I understand why they would want to get settled in and stay in one place. All the talk of people not supporting the National team because of this is too bad. Any positive ideas to get the CSA to schedule some games in Van I'd be behind.

But what do you do when the national team doesn't represent the nation?

The_Real_Deal

Unfortunately I found out last week that we weren't getting any MNT games, and the excuses I heard were the Polytan Turf and the extra 5 hrs flying from the centre of the universe

The_Real_Deal

coriba said: What other major National teams play in only one stadium? I get St Kitts and Barbados, but come one, really.

England @ Wembley?

Seathanaich

A lot of people here have a pretty fragile and/or shallow form of patriotism if their legitimate dislike of the CSA and it's placement of soccer games in Toronto causes them to get all huffy and separatist. I suspect the same people all get mad when Quebecers, for example, do the same thing.

Southside_Regular

There was a time not too long ago (mid to late 90's) when Swangard hosted most of Canada's W C Q games. Toronto fans were quite furious as I recall. But then again all they had to offer was a very old and dilapidated Varsity Stadium which was eventually torn down.

I remember a W C Q match against the USA in 1997 at Swangard where a significant number of Sam's Army came up to Burnaby and couldn't believe that Canada's national soccer stadium was equivalent to a high school ground in small town USA.

It wasn't ideal,but as Zach mentioned earlier, the players wanted to play on the best natural surface in the country which happened to be Swangard at the time.

Brenton

barca99 said: Any positive ideas to get the CSA to schedule some games in Van I'd be behind.

25k fans in BC Place the last time a national team played here and higher MLS attendances than in Toronto.

Do you mean like a friendly email to the CSA? A positive thread in the forum? A run on the new jersey at Sportchek? A big banner on opening day saying "We love you CSA! Please play a game here one day!"?

Blue_and_White_Army · Post edited by Blue_and_White_Army at 2012-02-02 23:03:41

seathanaich said: A lot of people here have a pretty fragile and/or shallow form of patriotism if their legitimate dislike of the CSA and it's placement of soccer games in Toronto causes them to get all huffy and separatist. I suspect the same people all get mad when Quebecers, for example, do the same thing.

1.) Patriotism doesn't excuse the ineptness of the CSA. The CSA is not Canada.

2.) This isn't complete selfishness. I agree that BC Place may not be a deserving host of MNT matches, due to the pitch that the players don't like. However, the renovated Saputo has a grass pitch, is closer to Europe than Toronto, and may be a better ground than BMO... yet is completely shut out of WCQs. THAT is the biggest sham of all.

Brenton

I think seathanaich is quite wrongly conflating forum support for a Cascadia flag and calls for a team with separatism.

Blue_and_White_Army

barca99 said: I just want Canada to make the World Cup.

I might be breaking a taboo here, but Canada has next to zero chance of making 2014. They have a relatively easy third round (pre-Hex), but the squad is poor.

2018 looks promising, however.

RandomWhiteMale · Post edited by RandomWhiteMale at 2012-02-02 22:58:47

seathanaich said: A lot of people here have a pretty fragile and/or shallow form of patriotism if their legitimate dislike of the CSA and it's placement of soccer games in Toronto causes them to get all huffy and separatist. I suspect the same people all get mad when Quebecers, for example, do the same thing.

If you're referring to my comment re: supporting a Team BC, then I think you're off base on suggesting it smacks of separatism. It seems no more a statement of separatism for me to say that i'd support a team comprised strictly of British Columbians than it is to say that i'd prefer to fly Westjet over Air Canada, for example. Like the CSA, Air Canada receives federal money to operate, but if a more regional alternative were offered, I feel that I could support them, without having to feel like I was shunning my country.

In any case, this is a pointless argument, as this scenario will never play out.

As for my political beliefs, they have no place in this forum.

stilty

Well, let's see how the TO fans support the upcoming matches. If they can't sell out one match at BMO, then it will be time for some harsh emails to the CSA.

Christopher

Blue_and_White_Army said:

barca99 said: I just want Canada to make the World Cup.

I might be breaking a taboo here, but Canada has next to zero chance of making 2014. They have a relatively easy third round (pre-Hex), but the squad is poor.

2018 looks promising, however.

North America essentially has four spots (3 direct, plus one tie vs. New Zealand) and we still don't have a realistic chance of making it.

RandomWhiteMale

stilty said: Well, let's see how the TO fans support the upcoming matches. If they can't sell out one match at BMO, then it will be time for some harsh emails to the CSA.

I don't know if that route really works. I think that big businesses and government agencies love email complaints as they have the optionto simply delete them without ever having to deal with them. I know that CBC, for example, receives emails by the thousands in regard to the discrepancy in HNIC coverage between the Leafs and everyone else. There must be a stronger way to voice displeasure.

Blue_and_White_Army

Christopher said: North America essentially has four spots (3 direct, plus one tie vs. New Zealand) and we still don't have a realistic chance of making it.

If we can't score against Puerto Rico at home, I shudder to think what would happen against some of the world's heavyweights.

Blue_and_White_Army

Looks like our "centennial kit" is merely another cookie-cutter Umbro kit:

krisaug5

PUH-THETIC!!! Dammit CSA...

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