Canada '12 kit; WCQ 3R & centennial friendly all in Toronto

krisaug5 · Post edited by Blue_and_White_Army at 2012-02-02 23:15:46

Today at 430 PM PST the Canadian Soccer Association will be doing a couple of things

1) Unveiling the new kit for the centennial of CSA

2) Giving further Scheduling information regarding the World Cup Qualifiers for the Men's national team

3) Talking to Stephen Hart (men's coach) and John Herdman (Women's coach)

All of this will be live streamed here: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/canmnt-live I for one really hope that we get one of the qualifers and hopefully montreal gets one as well. It has been far too long since the games have been spread out across the country and in order to spark interest and develop our programs at the youth level, we need to have events like this at different cities. We all saw the amount of support for the Women these past few weeks, and that has surely inspired girls in the region. Hopefully the CSA does the same for the men's team.

DISCUSS!!

piltdownman

My prediction: Toronto gets all the WCQ matches. Vancouver and Montreal each get a glam friendly. Which will be two of Usa, England, France, Mexico, Argentina, or Brazil.

barca99

krisaug5 said: I for one really hope that we get one of the qualifers and hopefully montreal gets one as well. DISCUSS!!

Won't happen. The games will be in Toronto for a variety of reasons. I agree with this decision until Vancouver and Montreal have better facilities.

I'm looking forward to the new kits (Canada hasn't had a nice kit in a long time imo), and to the announcement of the friendly vs the States which should happen some time in the coming months (before WCQ begins on June 8th)

barca99

The US friendly may be in Vancouver. Could probably put grass into BC Place for that one (ie: could afford it as it should draw a big crowd)

Evil_Bert

Predictions: First two WCQ's in Toronto, one match in Montreal. A centinial match in Montreal at Olympic Stadium against a big opponent like England or France. The 100th aniversary kit will some sort of odd Maroon gold sort of thing ala Arsenal's last year at Highbury Kit. BC Place will host a Women's London tune up friendly.

While I think a Canada/USA Men's friendly at BC Place would make a lot of sense, I come to expect very little from the CSA. I'm hoping for it, but I'm won't be surprised if it dosen't happen.

Proggie

Not having grass really hurts us

Blue_and_White_Army

barca99 said: I agree with this decision until Vancouver and Montreal have better facilities.

I understand Vancouver, but Montreal? What would be wrong with a renovated Saputo Stadium?

Blue_and_White_Army

Evil_Bert said: Predictions: A centinial match in Montreal at Olympic Stadium against a big opponent like England or France.

Here's an article arguing why the centennial match won't/shouldn't be against a glam opponent: http://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/opinion/2012/02/canada-to-face-us-in-world-cup-qualifer-tuneup.html

Blue_and_White_Army

My prediction: all WCQs in Toronto.

stilty

I saw a sneak peak video a few weeks back, but it has been removed. It showed a new team jacket. Very similar to Man City's Mercer Jacket... but red of course. Think I might have to get one when they are available. Very nice vintage look to it.

Evil_Bert

barca99 said:

krisaug5 said: I for one really hope that we get one of the qualifers and hopefully montreal gets one as well. DISCUSS!!

Won't happen. The games will be in Toronto for a variety of reasons. I agree with this decision until Vancouver and Montreal have better facilities.

I'm looking forward to the new kits (Canada hasn't had a nice kit in a long time imo), and to the announcement of the friendly vs the States which should happen some time in the coming months (before WCQ begins on June 8th)

They'll have a WCQ game in Montreal once Supputo is up an running. It's got grass, they would want to show off the place, and it's on the east coast.

Forever_A_Team

Southside Nation,

2 World Cup Qualifiers at BMO Field and 1 will be at Stade Saputo. Friendlies...not sure. The June one versus the States could be here, but we'll see.

Much Love,

Forever A Team

Lord_Bob

Prediction: two WCQs in Toronto, one in Montreal, no friendlies west of Toronto.

chauchi09

I think Moncton would be more likely to get one before we do.

Blue_and_White_Army

The players don't fancy Montreal anymore, though. And apparently they run the show.

td04

Why is it impossible to play a game on turf? Our turf is Fifa approved, the highest level no less.

Forever_A_Team

td04,

The players do not want to play on turf!

Much Love,

Forever A Team

Christopher

td04 said: Why is it impossible to play a game on turf? Our turf is Fifa approved, the highest level no less.

Grass is preferred whenever possible. But the big thing against Vancouver is that most of our players (men's) are flying in from Europe. It's simple math, eight plus hour flight to us, five plus to them.

Forever_A_Team

Christopher,

No grass is the primary issue...the travel time is secondary.

Much Love,

Forever A Team

Blue_and_White_Army

The flight difference is only around 90 minutes, I believe, due to Vancouver-Europe flights using a polar (arctic) route.

AJAX79 · Post edited by AJAX79 at 2012-02-02 12:24:02

The floor and drainage system that was installed at BC Place was installed to not only accommodate the turf but also grass. Everything is in place for a grass surface.

Only issue I can see is the cost of installing turf for the CSA. Would the cost be justified? Maybe, if we packed the house.

Maybe the CSA's "turf" excuse should really be something more honest like, the cost of installing the turf MIGHT not be in the best interest of the CSA. Then again, the best interests of the CSA only favour a select few.

OldFan

Even if BC Place had grass (or we had the waterfront stadium), the CSA would most likely heavily favor Toronto anyways due to the travel factor for our Euro players.

smoothmedia

I think the fear of turf stems from a previous age where turf technology was not as advanced as it is now. The field at BC place is top notch, and no one should be worried about playing on it.

AJAX79

OldFan said: Even if BC Place had grass (or we had the waterfront stadium), the CSA would most likely heavily favor Toronto anyways due to the travel factor for our Euro players.

smoothmedia said: I think the fear of turf stems from a previous age where turf technology was not as advanced as it is now. The field at BC place is top notch, and no one should be worried about playing on it.

The CSA knows that our turf is of the highest quality that the world has to offer and travell is not a huge issue since the players can be here a week ahead of time preparing for a big match (at least a few days for a qualifier if this is done outside of the league schedule).

Bottom line is that Toronto imposes itslef as the center of the universe and even though the support on the west coast is more than enough to support the national team, the CSA is too arrogant to give us a taste. This mentality coming from an organization that, i'm sure, is in need of $$$.

Typical.

Lord_Bob

Players are superstitious and as a rule uneducated. They also seem to think that if they're playing on artificial turf the other team is playing on fluffy clouds or something.

AJAX79

Lord_Bob said: Players are superstitious and as a rule uneducated. They also seem to think that if they're playing on artificial turf the other team is playing on fluffy clouds or something.

Train on turf and use it to their advantage instead of the other reasons for not playing on it.

Fynnsky

If any of the games were played here, how would the CSA brass invite their sponsor buddies that work in Toronto?

hc1

I used to think it was just the lack of turf, but I am starting to be convinced that the distance does have something to do with it. I think its been quite a while since the Americans held a WCQ on the west coast. That would be a distance thing too, no?

Evil_Bert

Fynnsky said: If any of the games were played here, how would the CSA brass invite their sponsor buddies that work in Toronto?

DING! DING! DING!

You've said the secret word. Corporate Money = Toronto. From Young Street to a BMO Box, a CSA mind at work.

Forever_A_Team

Southside Nation,

It doesn't matter the quality of the turf...ask players...they do not want to play on turf!!! If you don't believe or understand that...ask them yourself. This is the primary issue. This is not simply about the most populated city in our country hosting the most matches (as is often the case in many nations around the world), it is about the players desire to play on the best real grass surface. Sure it would be awesome to have matches in Vancouver, but this won't happen on a consistent basis until there is a quality ground built here.

Much Love,

Forever A Team

P.S. Putting in temporary grass is not a preference either.

Blue_and_White_Army

hc1 said: I used to think it was just the lack of turf, but I am starting to be convinced that the distance does have something to do with it. I think its been quite a while since the Americans held a WCQ on the west coast. That would be a distance thing too, no?

If you recall, the players boycotted Toronto's plastic pitch in favour of Montreal's grass, until grass was put in Toronto.

Grass is key. And grass that has taken root into soil over the course of weeks. The temporary "carpet" grass is crap, rips up, and is arguably more likely to cause injury than BC Place's plastic pitch.

barca99

I was under the impression that Stade Saputo was struggling to be ready and had some major problems with funding or something, so it wouldn't make sense to risk it.

As for Vancouver the turf thing is the biggest problem. As was mentioned the flight difference is not as large as you would think, but the time change is greater. Grass could be installed but it would have to be worth the cost.

Finally, I remember Toronto being called the "National Soccer Stadium" and I think the CSA put some money into it.

As for turf, Costa Rica plays their National games on it, but it is seen as second choice.

krisaug5

Fynnsky said: If any of the games were played here, how would the CSA brass invite their sponsor buddies that work in Toronto?

Hmm, if only there was some kind of way to travel across the continent, in a quick manner... I mean trian is too slow. Maybe water? no, not fast enough. Maybe in the Air? Nah I must be dreaming. no airborne travel options exist... If only they had wings.

Blue_and_White_Army

barca99 said: Finally, I remember Toronto being called the "National Soccer Stadium" and I think the CSA put some money into it.

We all put money into it. Municipal, provincial, and even federal government funding.

When do I receive my share certificate in the mail?

barca99

Blue_and_White_Army said:

barca99 said: Finally, I remember Toronto being called the "National Soccer Stadium" and I think the CSA put some money into it.

We all put money into it. Municipal, provincial, and even federal government funding.

When do I receive my share certificate in the mail?

Or how about an infusion of money into a stadium in Vancouver... oh right.

RaybanOriginal

AJAX79 said: The floor and drainage system that was installed at BC Place was installed to not only accommodate the turf but also grass. Everything is in place for a grass surface.

Really? Was it designed to accommodate grass permanently or just for temp. occasions?

bobloblaw17

Funny they have no problem playing on the crap pitches (cow fields) in St Kitts etc...Fucking CSA excuses...

barca99

bobloblaw17 said: Funny they have no problem playing on the crap pitches (cow fields) in St Kitts etc...Fucking CSA excuses...

Wouldn't you want to play on the best pitches available?

bobloblaw17

barca99 said:

bobloblaw17 said: Funny they have no problem playing on the crap pitches (cow fields) in St Kitts etc...Fucking CSA excuses...

Wouldn't you want to play on the best pitches available?

First of all the surface is the same for both teams. Also the playing surface wasn't so great when they cancelled the game vs Caps in Toronto last year. They had no problem playing on artificial turf in Toronto in the past. Also MLS players play on our turf and other artificial surfaces. Ours is top rated by FIFA as well. Its about putting the game in T.O. anything else is poor excuses and I'm not buying in...

td04

bobloblaw17 said: Funny they have no problem playing on the crap pitches (cow fields) in St Kitts etc...Fucking CSA excuses...

Precisely

BianconeroSouthsider

I'm hoping we can get ONE game, whether it's a friendly or not. I doubt the CSA will schedule games outside of Toronto, they love that city.

AJAX79

RaybanOriginal said:

AJAX79 said: The floor and drainage system that was installed at BC Place was installed to not only accommodate the turf but also grass. Everything is in place for a grass surface.

Really? Was it designed to accommodate grass permanently or just for temp. occasions?

I honestly don't know. I'd imagine it would be able to accommodate both...you would think. It would be the same set up really.

The drainage serves purpose for spraying water pre match and at half time for the plastic and as for grass.... we have a retractible roof in case their is a serious rain storm.

Stubbs

bobloblaw17 said: Funny they have no problem playing on the crap pitches (cow fields) in St Kitts etc...Fucking CSA excuses...

The players dont have a choice in St Kitts or these other countries. In Canada they do have a choice and they're going to demand to play on the best surface. And that is grass.

bobloblaw17

Stubbs said:

bobloblaw17 said: Funny they have no problem playing on the crap pitches (cow fields) in St Kitts etc...Fucking CSA excuses...

The players dont have a choice in St Kitts or these other countries. In Canada they do have a choice and they're going to demand to play on the best surface. And that is grass.

How did that grass work out May 25 2011?

Blue_and_White_Army

bobloblaw17 said: First of all the surface is the same for both teams.

I don't think it's about having an advantage over the opponent. I believe it's due to players not wanting to get hurt. (Whether they actually increase their chances of getting hurt on BC Place's new turf is a whole other debate.)

If a player gets injured, they miss matches (NT and club). And do national teams insure players these days? If so, does insurance cost more on plastic pitches?

DannyBoy

Looks like the jersey has been posted on the Voyageurs site

http://csa.rmpathletic.com/en/adult/chevron-jersey-home-and-away-104.html

chauchi09

I really didn't like the chevron but those are pretty blah. I'm so hard to please.

krisaug5

tweeted it!

Chris

Really? Glad I got that chevron jersey at the WOQ. They should screen "I played for Canada and all I got was this lousy t-shirt" on the front.

td04

At least the chevron was kind of unique looking in terms of national teams (i realise it was similar to some EPL teams and such) It at least some character, not just plain red...

krisaug5

Why are these jerseys always soooooo Bland and boring. It's pathetic. it honestly just looks like a red t-shirt

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