Juan de Fuca Plate - trophy for BC's PDL teams (Vancouver v Fraser Valley, Wed 7:30pm at Swangard)

Seathanaich · Post edited by Blue_and_White_Army at 2012-07-08 17:31:14

LIST OF DONATION PLEDGES SO FAR:

Blue_and_White_Army - $25 [paid to seathanaich in cash]
CentralRichmond - $40 [paid to seathanaich by email transfer]
Chris - $25 [paid to seathanaich via Blue_and_White_Army in cash]
Curva Collective (anonymous donor) - $25
David A. Xóchihua Jr. (Victoria supporter based in Portland) - undeclared
fourfourtwo - $50
GoF - $25
JRunn14 - ~$30
khoehne (based in Nanaimo) - $25
krisaug5 - $20
Lord_Bob - $100
LWO4LIFE - $50 [paid to seathanaich via Blue_and_White_Army in cash]
noname - undeclared
PrairieboyAlex (based in Edmonton) - $25
rovers_adam - $25
seathanaich - $50 paid.... to himself
Shawnster - $50
Smapti - undeclared
smiddy - undeclared
Solar - $25
Subhedgehog - $40 [paid to seathanaich via Blue_and_White_Army in cash]
tedward - $25
Vanbryguy12/VanCascadian - $20 [paid to seathanaich via Blue_and_White_Army in cash]

I can't believe that nobody has done this before now . . .

Scarf manufacturer Ruffneck has put up a Cup for the four PDL teams in Washington State, starting in 2012.

The Voyageurs donated the Cup that is now presented for the Canadian Championship.

The Cascadia Cup was created years ago. So . . .

Fans of the Victoria Highlanders, Abbottsford (if any exist), and the Vancouver Whitecaps PDL team should approach the clubs to establish a Cup to be awarded to the top PDL team in BC. Heck the schedule was balanced last year, and probably will be again. Unless someone else wants to help, I'll volunteer to approach the three clubs about the idea. Suggestions? Feedback?

GoF

That's a nice idea. I like it.

Would give a little added edge to the games and hopefully we can get a few more fans out.

Seathanaich

I don't know about getting extra fans out, but it will give the hard-core fans in Victoria and Vancouver something to have a bit of fun with. I'm sure the Highlanders will support the idea, and will provide an update after I have emailed Julie there.

Brenton

I would be up for the Southsiders sponsoring a cup.

slamo · Post edited by slamo at 2012-01-24 07:10:14

We talked about this last year. Abbotsford has 9 people at their games. No support what so ever.

Maybe starting with Victoria and Vancouver and mocking Abbotsford for their lack of support while leaving it open to them joining would help with their marketing.

tedward

Maybe time to resurrect my idea for a "Juan de Fuca Plate". - geography joke, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_de_Fuca_Plate

We get one of those huge plates/platters engraved as the trophy. Cups are so over-used.

Lord_Bob

Starting a USL PDL trophy off with a bad pun?

I LOVE IT.

piltdownman

Love the idea of the Plate

slamo

^^Totally! Love it.

PrairieboyAlex

I had an idea before I moved of the "Cook Cup". I mentioned it to John awhile back but I didn't have enough time to get it started

Lord_Bob

Seriously, we've got two Lake Side Buoys in here praising the idea, one of whom suggested the name; let's just do it. Who knows a good trophy store?

Blue_and_White_Army

Do it, do it, do it.

Brettness37

It's being worked on, simmer down :D

GoF · Post edited by GoF at 2012-01-24 12:58:23

Excellent news.

All we need now are the fixtures!

Seathanaich

Sorry Ted, I forgot about your "Juan de Fuca Plate" idea. Totally agreed, that is the way to go. I always like the Cup / Plate / Bowl breakdown in Rugby 7s, which is kind of like the pools in a curling bonspiel.

Let's get a really good plate, get it engraved with the provincial arms in the centre and dogwoods around the edges, and not do it on the cheap. If it means we have to fundraise a bit, so be it; but one thing I regret about the Voyageurs Cup (which I donated to) was that we got something generic rather than getting something customised and unique.

Brettness37

seathanaich said:

Let's get a really good plate, get it engraved with the provincial arms in the centre and dogwoods around the edges, and not do it on the cheap. If it means we have to fundraise a bit, so be it; but one thing I regret about the Voyageurs Cup (which I donated to) was that we got something generic rather than getting something customised and unique.

How big do you think it would need to be? Rectangle? Like a serving platter?

Boxing_Day_Massacre · Post edited by Blue_and_White_Army at 2012-01-24 21:12:32

Size and shape - like the Wimbledon (tennis not FC) trophy

Brenton

eight-sided or round.

Brettness37

So like 18" across?

Are we expecting solid silver, or silver plated?

GoF

Don't get anything with gold on it, as I always think it looks tackier.

I initially thought round would be best, but something eight sided would be a bit more unique and interesting

Brenton

Silver is running at $32/oz. That would mean a 1-pound plate would be $500 just for the material, at cost. Pretty sure we'll have to go with silver-coloured.

Brettness37 · Post edited by Brettness37 at 2012-01-25 00:27:01

Ok, how does a silver plated octagon 18" across sound?

Shawnster

Sounds expensivebutbim in. I Love expensive tableware!

Brenton

Octagon, OCTAGON!!!

Brettness37 · Post edited by Brettness37 at 2012-01-25 00:27:29

That's what I said. Don't worry about those little red letters at the bottom.

tedward

Somebody collecting donations?

Brenton

We're going to cost it out first.

cixceven

Brenton said: Octagon, OCTAGON!!!

Heptagon! HEPTAGON!

Seathanaich · Post edited by Seathanaich at 2012-01-25 10:32:37

VICTORIA REPRESENTATION - I would like to be involved in this process, and represent the Victoria Highlanders supporters on this matter. Since Brenton and Brettness are talking like this trophy is already being investigated, could you two please let me know privately what stage this is at, and I'll do the appropriate fund raising from Island supporters.

STYLE & NAME - it looks like Ted's (brilliant) idea is universally agreed upon - that it be "The Juan de Fuca Plate".

SHAPE - it has to be either round or octagonal, not rectangular, or it will look like a serving tray instead of a trophy. The German League awards such a trophy, which is both beautiful and fairly unique:

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/sports/2010-05/09/13283504_11n.jpg

MATERIAL / CONSTRUCTION - If we use silver plating, then we need to get GOOD plating. I own plated silver items that the plating has worn off on, and that is really tacky.

Solid silver SHOULD be considered and priced out, as should a silver plated item with an enamelled provincial coat of arms solidly attached to it. Imagine the effect that coloured enamel on silver would have! If we can get a solid silver object for a cost in the hundreds, I'll certainly donate $50 to the project, and I'm sure enough of us would that we could pay for something really special.

COST - Soccer in Canada is growing, and is here to stay. Let's be part of something really special and permanent, and let's create something that the players are actually impressed by when they receive it. Let's out-do the Voyageurs Cup visually, and the current divisional trophy. The V-Cup was done on the cheap. I contributed $10 to it - I'm allowed to say that. Let's not be cheap. I'll kick in $50 for this trophy.

CUSTODY - I would reccomend that a supporters group from each of the BC PDL teams be given joint custody of the trophy. At this point, that means the Southsiders and Lake Side Buoys. Joint-stewardship can be expanded (or contracted) to include the primary supporters group of any other BC PDL team that may be formed in the future. I'm thinking Abbottsford for now, but Kelowna is a possibility too some day, as is the possibility that the Highlanders could fold, or the Whitecaps could leave the PDL. The trophy's ownership should not be unclear, or it may "disappear".

WINNER - Given the balanced PDL schedule, for now, the winner will be easily decided. I would recommend we use the tie-breaker criteria recently decided upon by the Cascadia Cup committee, with the Plate presented to the

PRESENTATION - the respective supporter's club will be the ones to present the trophy to the winning team at the next home game, once that winner is determined.

ENGRAVING - I would suggest NOT putting "for the top PDL team in British Columbia" on it, because we all know that the acronmyn "PDL" is certain to change at some point, and given the history of the USL, probably in the not-too-distant future.

The Juan de Fuca Plate (top)

Enamelled British Columbia Arms (centre)

Dogwood flowers around the edges

Space inside the dogwoods and around the Arms for the annual winners to be engraved.

At the bottom: Donated in 2012 by

The Vancouver Southsiders and Lake Side Buoys of Victoria

Soccer Supporters Clubs

Brenton

A plate like the one pictured would cost well over a thousand dollars just for the silver, at cost, and potentially $2-3k, at ~$500/pound.

Lord_Bob

Have you guys seen the USL PDL trophy? It's visible in this photo.

We don't exactly have to beat a very high mark there.

Blue_and_White_Army · Post edited by Blue_and_White_Army at 2012-06-04 20:21:05

This thing will cost money. In the tradition of the Voyageurs Cup and the Cascadia Cup, it should come from the supporters.

Who's in? Even $5 helps.

So far (running total can be found in first post):

Blue_and_White_Army - $20
krisaug5 - undeclared
LWO4LIFE - $50
seathanaich - $50
Shawnster - undeclared

Brettness37

What kind of ballpark are we thinking this will cost? How much is reasonable to raise/spend? Are we wanting to go full custom, or should we be searching second hand shops for something interesting looking?

Before we start fundraising, we might want to set some criteria and a target :D

Blue_and_White_Army · Post edited by Blue_and_White_Army at 2012-01-26 22:19:02

I love seathanaich's idea of custom engraving with dogwoods et al, but I wonder how much it would actually cost.

Who is up for some costing research?

I'd be happier with a generic, $500 trophy than nothing...

piltdownman

custom engraving with dogwoods will end up costing $2k

Seathanaich

We only get one shot to do this. Let's do it right, with no regrets.

I'll visit the trophy store and a few jewelry stores in Duncan tomorrow and get some prices on various options, and post what I find here. I'll have a look on the internet as well.

GoF

I will contribute too. Not sure how much yet though, but will confirm soon.

Couple of questions.

What happens if the Caps withdraw from PDL or set up a side in Kelowna or something instead? Or if Highlanders go to USL/NASL/CSL and we don't play them in games?

The guys that chip in the large amounts $50+, we should somehow acknowledge them, but I don't know exactly how that would work and would there be too many?

Chris

I'm in for $20.

krisaug5

I think I can spare $20, when are you collecting? As I need to re-assess finances and in February would be easier for me

Brettness37

I'm doing the legwork on this side of things, but I just want to know what people are thinking as far as total cost. I've been in touch with a silversmith, and will be checking trophy shops after the CanWNT excitement dies down, and the Whitecaps head south :D

Blue_and_White_Army · Post edited by Blue_and_White_Army at 2012-01-27 09:36:30

I'd say $750 is realistic. Raising $1000 might be a stretch... but possible.

We're already at $390 plus three undeclared commitments.

Shawnster

Blue_and_White_Army said: I'd say $500 is realistic. Raising $1000 might be a stretch... but possible.

We're already at $190 plus three undeclared commitments.

I'm in for $50.

We should split it between us and LSB with an Abbotsford group able to buy in in the future.

We could also hold a raffle at one of our home matches to raise funds.

Brenton

I'd prefer saving fundraising raffles, etc, for the charitable arm, to be honest. Let's keep this relatively affordable.

JRunn14

I could spare a couple dollars but since I am on a budget I would need an estimate on when these donations would be collected before I can confirm an amount...no less then $30 though.

Lord_Bob

We should bear in mind that this trophy is going to be housed in clubhouses and closets, not the locked high-security trophy cabinet of a professional team. Frankly, I'd be a bit surprised if nobody scratched it up or even lost it (the Voyageurs Cup used to have a beautiful case that the Montreal Impact lost about five years ago).

So let's not spend a billion dollars on some silver thing that might get lost or stolen and is going to get dinged up even if it isn't.

That said, I pledge a hundred bucks.

Blue_and_White_Army · Post edited by Blue_and_White_Army at 2012-01-27 09:35:32

Brenton said: I'd prefer saving fundraising raffles, etc, for the charitable arm, to be honest.

I appreciate that, and to a certain degree I agree with it.

However, I think it's important that we cover our own bases, if we're also going to help others. Prior to the Timbers Army raising tens of thousands of dollars for charities last year, they raised money numerous years earlier to help buy the Cascadia Cup (for example).

I think that making efforts to help plant the seeds for the growth of lower-division football here in British Columbia is vitally important, and a trophy that lower-division spectator clubs would compete for would contribute to that, in my opinion.

If every Southsider donated $2.00-$2.50, we would have enough even for seathanaich's fancy version of a trophy. I really don't think this is an either/or contest between giving to charity and buying a PDL trophy - we can easily do (and should do) both.

Blue_and_White_Army · Post edited by Blue_and_White_Army at 2012-01-27 09:37:18

Lord_Bob said: We should bear in mind that this trophy is going to be housed in clubhouses and closets, not the locked high-security trophy cabinet of a professional team. Frankly, I'd be a bit surprised if nobody scratched it up or even lost it (the Voyageurs Cup used to have a beautiful case that the Montreal Impact lost about five years ago).

So let's not spend a billion dollars on some silver thing that might get lost or stolen and is going to get dinged up even if it isn't.

Very true. Remember the Portland supporters dropping the Cascadia Cup in 2010 (or was it 2009?), thus breaking one of the handles off? And the Cascadia Cup tends to get transported in the back/trunk of a car.

While a plate won't have many "bits" to break off or get lost, it will definitely get scratched.

Forever_A_Team

And the Cascadia Cup tends to get transported in the back/trunk of a car.

Blue_and_White_Army,

Not when it travels in GoF's car it doesn't! If I remember correctly, he made Ricky and I sit in the back while the Cup rode shotgun!

Much Love,

Forever A Team

P.S. Depending on my financial situation at the time the funds are needed, I would like to contribute something...especially as I missed out on both the Vs and the Cascadian Cup fundraising.

Lord_Bob

Re: design: for the reasons I mentioned I think we should stay away from an all-silver plating. What's wrong with a very high-quality wooden-frame with a plate in the middle (silver, if you like) engraved with what we want to engrave on it? Something substantial and rather elegant that will look lovely and be able to take a few dings without some janitor making $9 an hour wanting to put it in his car and sell it for the scrap value.

Seathanaich · Post edited by Seathanaich at 2012-01-27 13:00:25

GoF said: I will contribute too. Not sure how much yet though, but will confirm soon.

Couple of questions.

What happens if the Caps withdraw from PDL or set up a side in Kelowna or something instead? Or if Highlanders go to USL/NASL/CSL and we don't play them in games?

The guys that chip in the large amounts $50+, we should somehow acknowledge them, but I don't know exactly how that would work and would there be too many?

Great questions Michael. I think this is why we need to retain ownership of the trophy by the Supporters Groups. That way, if teams come and go, we can still call the shots on where it is and who it gets presented to.
Secondly, the name "PDL" is more likely to change than stay for the next hundred years. That is why I think we should have "JUAN DE FUCA PLATE" enscribed on the plate, and "DONATED IN 2012 BY THE VANCOUVER SOUTHSIDERS AND LAKE SIDE BUOYS OF VICTORIA SOCCER SUPPORTERS CLUBS". We should NOT have "for the top PDL team in BC" or anything like that on it, so that if leagues and teams disappear, we can then consider awarding it to the winner of the new BC High Performance Youth league, or some other recipient.
Everyone who donates should have his name and hometown engraved on the backside of the trophy, for any donations greater than $25. I'm sure we can make up receipts for people to put in their 2012 tax return.
Interesting idea about wood, Ben. All design ideas should be considered.
Scratches are going to happen - as an officer in the Army, I'm well aware of that from dealing with all the trophies we have. That is one reason why I recommend solid silver over plated. If we do that, it will be valuable, so Ben's comments are valid - perhaps a smaller plate within a larger wooden frame. Wood does scratch more easily than metal, of course, but restaining and refinishing is manageable.
Security is fairly easy to maintain control over. We can insist that the trophy be stored in a locked facility with limited access as a condition for it being displayed. If Victoria Highlanders and Abbottsford cannot provide such a method of display, then it must be stored by at least two trustees designated by the Supporter's Groups (more people = transparency = less likelihood of theft). When Vancouver Whitecaps PDL win it, the Plate could be stored during the season in a locked case at BC Place, with an explanation of what it is, and who donated it. I suspect that the proper liaison with the Whitecaps FO can make this happen. This will not only maintain security for the award, but also allow the Whitecaps to advertise the schedule of their PDL team to new potential fans. If Victoria were to win this trophy I'm pretty sure Alex Campbell would be keen on displaying it securely somehow at Royal Athletic Park during home games.

Comments? Suggestions? I'm off to price out potential ideas.

Lord_Bob

The Whitecaps have a trophy cabinet in their offices on Water Street; if they displayed it anywhere I imagine they'd display it there. (Which would be secure enough, anyway.)

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