2012 Season Ticket Renewal/Delivery
  • The_Real_DealThe_Real_Deal
    Posts: 3,747

    August 14th 2011, 72 hours after a 4-0 thumping on the road, I've just received an email, inviting me to Protect my turf for 2012.


    Are they insane?? the timing sucks.


    Dear Season Ticket Holder,First off, congratulations! You have done a great job of living up to the Whitecaps Supporter Pledge. Don’t let up yet, but well done so far on striving to make every Whitecaps match a unique soccer experience that you can call your own.

    Now, Eric Hassli has something to say about protecting your turf – for 2012 that is.

    You’ve done an excellent job of telling your friends and colleagues to try us out. You’ve helped draw the attention of the media, to see what all the fuss is about. But now, that attention is translating into competition for the best seats for the 2012 season. So next Thursday, August 18, be ready to protect your turf.Here’s how:You will receive your 2012 season ticket invoice and deposit information via email on Thursday August 18, 2011 Review your invoice, determine if you want any changes, then call our office at 604.669.9283to confirm your 2012 seatsIf we don’t hear from you right away, we’ll follow up with you to ensure you don’t miss the opportunity to protect your turfWe know it’s not easy, renewing your seats before the first match on Bell Pitch downtown at BC Place. But we’ve rewarded you for your support before, and we’ll do it again. In fact, we’ll do it again and again. 

    Every two weeks, all committed 2012 season ticket holders will be entered     into a draw* for great bonus prizes from our partners. Stuff like an overnight stay in a penthouse suite plus lots of perks from the River Rock Casino Resort; or a prize pack featuring tickets, merchandise, and a $50 gift certificate from PlayNow.com; or a Whitecaps-branded mini-fridge from Budweiser! 

    Plus, two Grand Prizes     to be drawn in October - a trip for two to MLS Cup 2011 in Los Angeles, including airfare, hotel, and tickets to the match. 

    You must renew your season tickets with the applicable deposit in order to be entered. And there’s good reason to get in early. Once you’ve renewed your season tickets, you will be automatically entered into ALL subsequent draws. The full list of bonus prizes and draw dates will be announced onwhitecapsfc.com on August 18.Every season ticket holder has been a big part of making our Whitecaps matches an experience that we can all call our own. Now get ready to protect your turf, and keep the momentum growing for the remainder of 2011 and into 2012.


    Your Whitecaps FC Ticketing team
    *One entry per seat. No account will be selected as a bonus prize winner more than once – when an account is awarded a bonus prize, they will be withdrawn from future bonus prize draws in this series. All qualified accounts, including bonus prize winners, will be entered for the Grand Prize draw(s). Overnight stay at River Rock Casino Resort is during 2012 Whitecaps season. For full contest details visit  whitecapsfc.com/protect

    Post edited by Blue_and_White_Army at 2012-02-06 22:34:17
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  • ProggieProggie
    Posts: 396
    I don't know if I'm comfortable renewing when I don't even know what my seats will be like at BC Place. Think I'll wait
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  • CheekyMonkeyCheekyMonkey
    Posts: 133
    What sections are the southsiders planning on sitting in? I'd like to move over and join you guys.  BTW does anyone know what the prices will be for next year? I can't find anything on the website.  
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  • LeftyLefty
    Posts: 890
    I just sent an email back and gave them the finger. Constructively of course, but direct.
  • Blue_and_White_ArmyBlue_and_White_Army
    Posts: 4,335
    I'll definitely wait until I see what BC Place is like.

    Disappointed that they've rolled this out already, even though many of us have seat relocation requests (from months back) that are still outstanding... 
    :!!
    Post edited by Blue_and_White_Army at 2011-08-16 17:18:00
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  • ShakoShako
    Posts: 180
    Terrible timing although I did enjoy the Hassli video.
  • stiltystilty
    Posts: 767
    they must need some cash.  seems a little early to be asking for renewal.  wonder if there will be a price increase?
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  • DriveforfiverDriveforfiver
    Posts: 184
    Obviously they're nervous about the presentation of BC Place. I for one will not be renewing my season tickets until I go to a game there.

    By the way, with my 2 season tickets I will have a 0.000125% chance of winning a draw assuming there are 16000 season tickets.


  • rodderzzzrodderzzz
    Posts: 1,278
    no you wont, A there is less than 16K season ticket holders and B only the ones who put a deposit down for renewal get entered.
  • DriveforfiverDriveforfiver
    Posts: 184
    rodderzzz said:

    no you wont, A there is less than 16K season ticket holders and B only the ones who put a deposit down for renewal get entered.



    7000 or 16000, the point is that you will still have a shitty chance to win. Draws, lotteries, scratch tickets, and keno are for suckers.

    I'll still have a 0% chance of renewal before I see a game at BC Place.
  • GoFGoF
    Posts: 2,784
    When I received the email, before I opened it I honestly thought that they were about to announce some partnership with Miracle-Gro or try and sell me something to keep my lawn green after my dog had been pissing on it.

    In saying that, they are trying to sell manure...

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  • MarchanderMarchander
    Posts: 52
    I do not have my seat location for BC Place 2011!!! Although I was a late season ticket buyer. It's insulting for them to ask now! 
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  • dj5dj5
    Posts: 3
    I just received my ST renewal email an hour ago...

    I cannot believe how out of touch the Whitecaps organization is with their season ticket holders.  They bait and switch their customers for year one, and then pull this move?  It really shows the lack of character within their organization and shows the poor business environment those people work in. 

    No one in the front office stuck up their hand and said - "hmmm - I think this renewal campaign will reflect badly on us and the values of our organization"??  Is it that they can't see it, or is it that their people are afraid to speak up - in either case, it speaks volumes!!   I am still shaking my head...

    I would encourage all season ticket holders to send their thoughts to the big cheeses:
    pbarber@whitecapsfc.com
    blenarduzzi@whitecapsfc.com
    rlewis@whitecapsfc.com

    If you don't email them, you cannot expect change...


  • rodderzzzrodderzzz
    Posts: 1,278
    either renew or dont. Get over it!
  • Jay_DukeJay_Duke
    Posts: 1,489
    Although some things can get blown out of proportion in online forums, this is an issue.

    Ive been a season ticket holder since game 3 and I still have not been given my seats for BC Place.

    So they're willing to take my money for next years seats but haven't even fulfilled their obligation for this seasons?

    Doesn't seem like they care about anything but the money.
  • rodderzzzrodderzzz
    Posts: 1,278
    CapsConvert said:

    Doesn't seem like they care about anything but the money.



    I hate to break it to you but they don't. They don't give a shiny shite about any of us, we're just a number. It's the same at every top flight club in the world. Take your opportunity and call them, ask then what's going on with this years ticket.

    Post edited by rodderzzz at 2011-08-16 18:26:20
  • piltdownmanpiltdownman
    Posts: 8,052
    I received an phone call from Roberto saying that the Southsiders plans of densification are something he would like to meet me about and we "shouldn't panic" about an email from the club.  This was yesterday, and I wasn't told what todays email was about, simply to know that they still have our goals in mind.
    Post edited by piltdownman at 2011-08-16 18:27:08
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  • ShakoShako
    Posts: 180
    CapsConvert said:

    Although some things can get blown out of proportion in online forums, this is an issue.

    Ive been a season ticket holder since game 3 and I still have not been given my seats for BC Place.

    So they're willing to take my money for next years seats but haven't even fulfilled their obligation for this seasons?

    Doesn't seem like they care about anything but the money.



    What? A private corporation that cares about nothing but money? *scratches head*

    Don't like it? Then I suggest we all re-visit this thread.
  • ShahryarShahryar
    Posts: 157
    Honestly this is just bad timing from the club... In business you gotta strike while the iron is hot....and if its not hot like it is right now for the whitecaps then you do everything in your power to make it hot not make it cold....
  • serfboyserfboy
    Posts: 94
    Funny that we probably all had similar thoughts.....

    a)  Asking us to renew shortly after an effortless thumping...

    b)  Asking us to protect our turf...I haven't even seen the turf they want me to protect...

    c)  Saying they've rewarded us before...with what?  Loss after loss after loss?  Or are they referring to the Manchester City match?

    I wonder what happens if I want to change my seat?  I'm hoping with people not renewing, I can move closer or shift over a bit....
  • krisaug5krisaug5
    Posts: 5,513
    I have every intention of renewing, but I want to see what it looks like from my seat, and who's around me before the decision is made. I'd like to move closer to the pitch for sure, but need to decide where...
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  • Legal_AlienLegal_Alien
    Posts: 679
    Obviously, no Southsider/STH should renew anything until (1) we see what BC Place looks like on October 2nd and (2) Brett concludes negotiating on our behalf with Roberto.

    It appears an exercise in futility to try and fathom out any of the 'caps (mis-)moves this season. My recommendation (for what it's worth) is let's enjoy Portland this weekend plus pray we win the Cascadia Cup and get at least another two wins whilst we wait for Martin Rennie to come save us!
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  • berto1089berto1089
    Posts: 271
    I'm amazed they sent these emails out. After the mess at the beginning of the season with seat selection & placing people in the opposite end, this is ridiculous. 
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  • berto1089berto1089
    Posts: 271
    Legal_Alien said:

    Obviously, no Southsider/STH should renew anything until (1) we see what BC Place looks like on October 2nd and (2) Brett concludes negotiating on our behalf with Roberto.


    It appears an exercise in futility to try and fathom out any of the 'caps (mis-)moves this season. My recommendation (for what it's worth) is let's enjoy Portland this weekend plus pray we win the Cascadia Cup and get at least another two wins whilst we wait for Martin Rennie to come save us!


    +1
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  • gunnergunner
    Posts: 13
    WOW! This is the email I sent back cc to p
    barber@whitecapsfc.com and blenarduzzi@whitecapsfc.com-

    First let me say that I love the Whitecaps and will continue to support but…..Are you guys for real?

    I have not even stepped foot in BC Place and have no idea what it looks like let alone what my seats are?
    At least you waited till right after you lost 4-0!

    How about giving people time to digest before screwing them out of more money for a very inferior product…wow!

    And yes Paul Barber will answer you back, I will give them credit for that!
  • moosemaniacmoosemaniac
    Posts: 240
    rodderzzz said:

    either renew or dont. Get over it!



    come on rod, lets be clear here who asks for a renewal with 11 games left in the season. beginning of next season is 7 months away if it starts in mid march like it did this year.
  • piltdownmanpiltdownman
    Posts: 8,052
    Can we all please just calm down for a moment.  I have read the letter a couple times and I think you have to look at it for what it is.  They aren't demanding that we pay for deposit for next year, they are simply encouraging people to do so by means of a prize draw.  Meaning you renew now and you there is a chance of reward.  If you don't renew now, it appears that there is no penalty, simply you miss out on the possible reward.  I admit it is somewhat mistimed, but they aren't demanding anything yet for next season.

    Personally I would also wait to see what is going to happen with the HST, as well as everythign mentioned here. 
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  • dj5dj5
    Posts: 3
    rodderzzz said:

    either renew or dont. Get over it!



    Well my friend, I guess I am thinking that I (like many, many others) will not renew my four seats - would you prefer BC Place with less supporters and fans in general?  That will be really good for the boys and the club in general, won't it?  In case you have not noticed this is not a "top flight club", so making that kind of comparison to excuse this wrong-headed, bound-to-fail ticket renewal campaign just sounds awfully weak... just sayin...
    Post edited by dj5 at 2011-08-16 20:12:00
  • VanCityVillaVanCityVilla
    Posts: 1,221
    I like possible reward. Me call and give them more money for next year.
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  • Jay_DukeJay_Duke
    Posts: 1,489
    For those who think I'm naive for saying "they only care about the money," let's refer to the single most basic marketing principle.

    Give people what they want, and they will give you what you want.

    I've called twice now inquiring about my seat location in BC Place. I've also asked for the original ticket books for STH, since I only got ticketmaster print outs. I keep getting told "soon; we will contact you."

    And now they come to me asking for more money for next year before they have addressed my requests from this season.

    This is not the way to treat a customer who you are counting on for thousands of dollars over the next few years.
  • The_Real_DealThe_Real_Deal
    Posts: 3,747
    My suggestion to the club would be this...

    Invite groups of existing season ticket holders to BC Place, with Whitecaps staff on hand, let us sit in our potential seats first, before committing to 2012 and beyond.

    If they have all their software working and on site, they could easily tell you if seat xyz is available if seat abc is already gone.

    If you like your allocated seat, put your deposit down there and then.


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  • cixcevencixceven
    Posts: 2,532
    piltdownman said:

    Can we all please just calm down for a moment.  I have read the letter a couple times and I think you have to look at it for what it is.  They aren't demanding that we pay for deposit for next year, they are simply encouraging people to do so by means of a prize draw.  Meaning you renew now and you there is a chance of reward.  If you don't renew now, it appears that there is no penalty, simply you miss out on the possible reward.  I admit it is somewhat mistimed, but they aren't demanding anything yet for next season.


    Personally I would also wait to see what is going to happen with the HST, as well as everythign mentioned here. 


    Quite right. This is as much about setting a budget for next year as anything else; they want a firm number on season tickets as soon as they can get one. Their timing sucks (they should have waited until at least after Portland), but unless they are penalizing not sending them a deposit, it isn't anything to get worked up over. 
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  • The_Real_DealThe_Real_Deal
    Posts: 3,747
    ^^ That's true. It's just the timing that is totally wrong.


    If there are zero take ups on this "offer" then perhaps they will reduce prices (or not).

    Incidentally I seem to remember two or three years ago with the old D2 Whitecaps the early bird prize draw was a trip to Vegas. 

    Personally I'd rather have that as an incentive rather than seeing a rival team gloating with a trophy that is unattainable to us this year. 
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  • dj5dj5
    Posts: 3
    cixceven said:

    piltdownman said:

    Can we all please just calm down for a moment.  I have read the letter a couple times and I think you have to look at it for what it is.  They aren't demanding that we pay for deposit for next year, they are simply encouraging people to do so by means of a prize draw.  Meaning you renew now and you there is a chance of reward.  If you don't renew now, it appears that there is no penalty, simply you miss out on the possible reward.  I admit it is somewhat mistimed, but they aren't demanding anything yet for next season.


    Personally I would also wait to see what is going to happen with the HST, as well as everythign mentioned here. 


    Quite right. This is as much about setting a budget for next year as anything else; they want a firm number on season tickets as soon as they can get one. Their timing sucks (they should have waited until at least after Portland), but unless they are penalizing not sending them a deposit, it isn't anything to get worked up over. 


    I am sorry but "setting a budget" does not excuse this in any way, shape or form.  They did a bait and switch on our seats the first year in the MLS and, knowing this, they blythly go ahead with an EARLY season renewal, intimating that we must "protect our seats" or we will lose them???  Before we ever see the seats that we should have had back in March??  I purchased seats, in good faith, for the beginning of the 2011 season, for BC Place.  In my humble opinion, this is a total fiasco that does not bode well for this club at all.  This just stinks to high heaven.
  • cixcevencixceven
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    Tractor_Boy said:


    Personally I'd rather have that as an incentive rather than seeing a rival team gloating with a trophy that is unattainable to us this year. 


    Or a fridge with "Budwiser" all over it. 
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  • rodderzzzrodderzzz
    Posts: 1,278
    moosemaniac said:

    rodderzzz said:

    either renew or dont. Get over it!



    come on rod, lets be clear here who asks for a renewal with 11 games left in the season. beginning of next season is 7 months away if it starts in mid march like it did this year.


    I know that Kev, but you don't need to renew yet, they'll give all STH up till Christmas to renew, you'll just miss out on the 'prize draw' (like anyones arsed) The over-reaction from the Southsiders on every issue is probably the reason the board find it so difficult to get any help out of them. I honestly can't remember the last time I read anything popsitive about anyone in the boardroom, are things really THAT bad? People's expectations where obviously way too high from this season.

    dj5 said:

    rodderzzz said:

    either renew or dont. Get over it!



    Well my friend, I guess I am thinking that I (like many, many others) will not renew my four seats - would you prefer BC Place with less supporters and fans in general?  That will be really good for the boys and the club in general, won't it?  In case you have not noticed this is not a "top flight club", so making that kind of comparison to excuse this wrong-headed, bound-to-fail ticket renewal campaign just sounds awfully weak... just sayin...



    Well my friend, If you're not going to renew your season tickets because of a poorly timed email, we're better off without you. I think you'll find it is a 'top-flight club' unless you can point me towards the best league in America/Canada because i must have missed it? You think they care about you as an individual? You're mental if you believe that, they want your money, that's it, that's all there is too it.


    piltdownman said:

    Can we all please just calm down for a moment.  I have read the letter a couple times and I think you have to look at it for what it is.  They aren't demanding that we pay for deposit for next year, they are simply encouraging people to do so by means of a prize draw.  Meaning you renew now and you there is a chance of reward.  If you don't renew now, it appears that there is no penalty, simply you miss out on the possible reward.  I admit it is somewhat mistimed, but they aren't demanding anything yet for next season.


    Personally I would also wait to see what is going to happen with the HST, as well as everythign mentioned here. 


    Christ Brett don't blitz them with logic. Then they won't be able to slag them all off on a public forum for them all to read, probably making it even harder for you to negotiate anything positive for the group out of them........
  • LeftyLefty
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    But no. They will put you up for a night over at their corporate partners place in Richmond at the gang infested Riverock Casino.

    Fuck me !!! I gambled on a decent team, I'm not gambling on their corporate plan. Whatever the fuck that is.

    Did the Spurs pay us to take this CEO off their hands?
  • stiltystilty
    Posts: 767
    not to throw politics or tax crap into the thread, but I don't think the vote on the HST will matter much.  It may take a few months for them to figure out all the votes, and if/when it is voted out, they will set a date when the HST will be extinguished, no less then a year from what I am told.  So it could be Oct. 2012 when the HST is out.  And even if it is voted out, anyone who thinks that everything will go back to 5% is not thinking straight.  We're paying 12% on services with HST, and I guarantee we'll be paying 12% in services with GST/PST.  
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  • Lord_BobLord_Bob
    Posts: 4,292
    They probably know their renewal rate is going to be poor and are trying to get a jump on things.

    I know I won't be handing them a dollar until I see if certain roster rumours are true.
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  • thealbinowhinothealbinowhino
    Posts: 707
    piltdownman said:

    Can we all please just calm down for a moment.  I have read the letter a couple times and I think you have to look at it for what it is.  They aren't demanding that we pay for deposit for next year, they are simply encouraging people to do so by means of a prize draw.  Meaning you renew now and you there is a chance of reward.  If you don't renew now, it appears that there is no penalty, simply you miss out on the possible reward.  I admit it is somewhat mistimed, but they aren't demanding anything yet for next season.



    +1

    Yeeesh, god forbid they offer a prize to try and motivate some people to renew early.
  • ShakoShako
    Posts: 180
    I will be highly amused if this thread descends into an HST debate.

    *waits to be amused*
  • LovethemcapsLovethemcaps
    Posts: 108
    Not sure what the fuss is about?

    No penalty to not renew now

    The letter clearly states they realize it is difficult to select seats without seeing bc place

    Im sure they will get feedback that will help them market next season

    Great hassli video

    If you want a chance to go to mls cup renew now if not wait!!

    I will renew for sure next year but will wait until I see bc place for seats I want but why are so many fussing over this email from FO??
  • DriveforfiverDriveforfiver
    Posts: 184
    Tractor_Boy said:

    My suggestion to the club would be this...


    Invite groups of existing season ticket holders to BC Place, with Whitecaps staff on hand, let us sit in our potential seats first, before committing to 2012 and beyond.

    If they have all their software working and on site, they could easily tell you if seat xyz is available if seat abc is already gone.


    If you like your allocated seat, put your deposit down there and then.




    That would be a step forward, however it is hard to get the feel of the game product without seeing an actual game. I've said it before and I'll say it again; BC Place is a big stadium and if you don't have a decent amount of fans there, the atmosphere is almost funeral-like. Having a large amount of fans out cheering is an awesome experience. With only bottom bowl seating, I'm hoping we can accomplish that. 

    As far as the HST goes; If it is voted out, it will not be reversed overnight. From the articles that I've read, it will take a year or more to change.
    Post edited by Driveforfiver at 2011-08-16 21:31:58
  • 7semiao7semiao
    Posts: 192
    count me in on the "not renewing til i see my seats" crowd...there's a group of idiots that sit near me (wendy likely knows who i'm talking about) and i want to ensure that i won't be within earshot of them. also, i'm very curious about this proposed "densification"

    also, a slightly off-topic question: if the caps marketing team can produce a cool video like that for a season ticket renewal email, why can't they do something like that for a tv spot? one of the better pieces of marketing, shame it's wasted on an email most people will ignore...
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  • GoFGoF
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    Bit of a strange email, in that it leaves a lot of things uncertain. And as others have said, absurdly early and poorly timed.

    I'm pretty sure though that the deposit is more securing your season ticket than your seat.

    Just badly worded.

    If you want to change your actual seat, once you see it in BC Place, I don't see this being a problem and those that do put their deposits down early should get priority seat choices I would hope. Of course, this being the Caps who knows.

    It also doesn't tell you how long you have to secure your seat, but again I would hope this will come out in the invoice.

    I do feel really sorry for the poor fuckers in the ticketing office that are going to have to call everyone to try and get renewals. Gonna be a tough job.


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  • rodderzzzrodderzzz
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    7semiao said:

    count me in on the "not renewing til i see my seats" crowd...there's a group of idiots that sit near me (wendy likely knows who i'm talking about) and i want to ensure that i won't be within earshot of them. also, i'm very curious about this proposed "densification"

    also, a slightly off-topic question: if the caps marketing team can produce a cool video like that for a season ticket renewal email, why can't they do something like that for a tv spot? one of the better pieces of marketing, shame it's wasted on an email most people will ignore...


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  • JRunn14JRunn14
    Posts: 776
    <long rant about bitching erased>

    I agree with Rod...get over it...get on board and support the club...nobodies forcing you to renew early...it's as if you don't even read and just start bitching out of pure instinct.

    PS- I'm not saying you can't question what's going on but the sarcastic bitching can definitely be a reflection of the group as a whole...this isn't a private site...if I had come here at a different time then I did, I could very easily have been turned off by the constant sarcasm and whining  Is that what you want for this group...to go from being known as the most passionate fans in the city to the most self entitled negative whiners in the city.
    Post edited by JRunn14 at 2011-08-16 22:10:27
  • GrandstanderGrandstander
    Posts: 1,198
    JRunn14 said:

    <long rant about bitching erased>


    I agree with Rod...get over it...get on board and support the club...nobodies forcing you to renew early...it's as if you don't even read and just start bitching out of pure instinct.


    I'm in this camp.  Those who don't support the club are being somewhat fairweather.  That club you like in Europe does the same shit, they need cash too!  The Caps haven't been great at a lot of things, but they're our team.  It's our complaining that will get them to change.  It's our support that let's them know we care.  Turning your back says more about you, and doesn't say anything new about the club that we don't know already.

    I can understand not renewing until later, as it this is the earliest I can recall the Caps ever asking for renewals. However if the facility is more important to you then the club, why are you here now?
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  • rodderzzzrodderzzz
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  • cixcevencixceven
    Posts: 2,532
    Shako said:

    I will be highly amused if this thread descends into an HST debate.

    *waits to be amused*



    Wish granted.

    If the HST is voted down, it won't take effect until after the next (early) provincial election, as they won't reinstate the prior exemptions, and will need a full electoral cycle to let that die down. It would be political suicide, faced with a "go back to the old system" referendum result to take the worst of all worlds (GST/PST rate with HST applicability) when the general assumption is something else. 
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  • thealbinowhinothealbinowhino
    Posts: 707
    JRunn14 said:

    <long rant about bitching erased>


    I agree with Rod...get over it...get on board and support the club...nobodies forcing you to renew early...it's as if you don't even read and just start bitching out of pure instinct.

    PS- I'm not saying you can't question what's going on but the sarcastic bitching can definitely be a reflection of the group as a whole...this isn't a private site...if I had come here at a different time then I did, I could very easily have been turned off by the constant sarcasm and whining  Is that what you want for this group...to go from being known as the most passionate fans in the city to the most self entitled negative whiners in the city.


    Exactly.
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